Euro profile locks

[scifibuff]

Hi all
How can you remove the plug from a euro profile cylinder so you can re-key or master key these type of locks. There dosn't seem any way to get into the back with the cam in the way to allow you to remove the clip that allows you to remove the plug. There most be some way of removing the cam so you can get behind the plug.
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[Luke]

Hehehe. PM me i cant be stuffed atm.

[lordofbaal]

hi

i found a link that may help you

http://www.multipick-service.com/en/download/instructions/8110_en.pdf

Good Luck!

[scifibuff]

Its ok I worked it out. But I made a big mistake. Wasn't going to remove the plug had the key in and the plug came out slightly first pin came out as I pushed it back in oops keys stuck. Had to drill the brass pin out underneath the lock so could remove the spring and pin holding the key.
Not to good for the lock one damaged spring pulled the key out and out came plug pins and springs everywhere. But I found out why I was having a little trouble picking the lock. It is or was a six pin Yale, three spool pins don't know what postions. Well you know what they say learn by your mistakes. If a pin falls out don't push the plug back in.
Will try and re-build the lock sometime.
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[toomush2drink]

May i ask what brand the lock is as i have found these types to be a bit hit and miss when picking them. I have a really temperamental mila lock, some days it opens by raking but never by picking or the electric gun. Also had problems with a gegge too so i am trying to resource as much about euro profiles as possible.

toomush

[scifibuff]

Tomush
It is or was a 6 pin Yale. Some Euro profiles are easy this one was not.
There are many makes of Euro profile, cheap ones and the more expensive. Euro profile describes the shape the inner workings IE number of pins, type of pins are all different like all cylinder locks.
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[jason]

Mila are B&Q grade locks, try really light tension and practice by mounting it in a vice - DON'T use them on your own doors!!

Legge/Union don't appear to have any nasties (spools, etc) in them when raking - really light tension on these and you should be OK.

Zones/Yales try varying the pressure if using your electric pick gun

[toomush2drink]

Thanks for the advice jason, i know what you mean on the milas i can get them open by raking just picking is not happening yet. Thing is these mila are fitted to a lot of double glazed doors, the doors are high security with all the extra bolts etc but a mila lock operates it all defeating the object. A window fitter i know was gobsmacked when i picked his "high security" front door with a quick rake. ( may be getting some locks sold to him lol)
Any info on gegges ? its a favorite with everest and they seem to be of better quality.

cheers

[scifibuff]

Has anybody every heard of Tessa locks. They are used alot in Spain, the key if quite strange flat and quite thick with cut outs on the flat of the key rather than on the edge a bit like the dimple keys.
Normally they are Euro profile.
I think most of the time with double glazing doors the locks don't seem to be high security( I can open mine in 30secs). It seems to defeat the object having lots of sliding bolts top bottom middle when the lock can be defeated in so short a time. Its a bit like having the best hardened chain with a cheap B&Q padlock holding it together. I suppose you gets what you pay for more expensive the better the lock.
Could you re-pin a cheap euro profile with spools or mushrooms? to make it into a more secure lock.
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[jason]

You could re-pin if you really wanted to, but how cruel would that be to a thief who thinks it's be easy?

I can't be bothered (too lazy) the amount of effort doesn't merit the saving - a good supplier sells decent euros for about 6 or 7 quid.

[scifibuff]

Thanks for reply Jason. Good advise makes sense.
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[aviat]

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tessa do a range of shutter locks wich iv'e seen a phew of,very easy to pick,you would be better of with a nut and bolt on your shutter.

[Jlo]

Hi,

Yes I agree that in the UK a lot of effort goes in to selling Double Glazed doors with hook bolts etc and then fitted with a cheapo 5 pin euro cylinder.

Our Conservitory doors are fitted with Milla locks and the double glazed door linking the conservitory to the house is fitted with a Zone cylinder.

I changed this to a ISEO R11 (11 pin lock) http://www.m-marcus.co.uk/security/cylinders.shtml with anti drill protection.

My front and back door I went for the Yale Pro Key series which is Patented against Copying, is Drill protected and 6 upper pins and a lower secuirty pin in the key (7 pin in total) which will at least be increase security.

Saying that my Grandad was just burlged in London and they romoved the beading from his double glazing very neatly and took the whole window out!

Hi go for belt and bracers aproach. Good Locks, Alarm and Insurance!!!

Cheers

Jlo

[jason]

Zone locks are often aftermarket (locksmith) fitted locks and aren't too bad.

Mila aren't worth being called locks.

The beading trick only works on older double glazing, anything fitted in the past few years has stainless steel hooks to stop the beading removal trick (there is a bit more involved than just pulling off the beading, but I will not make it any easier for those who are here for the wrong reasons!).

The best sort of double glazing is the "internally beaded" style more expensive, but still doesn't protect against the "dustbin through the window" style of housebreaking.

Restricted section/permitted duplication keys aren't really worth the extra cost (IMHO) for domestic properties, unless a lot of people have access to the keys.

Alarms whether monitored or not are worth the cost and effort of installation, I read that 60% of attempted burglaries are aborted once an alarm sounds. The average thief doesn't know whether an alarm is monitored and isn't going to want to hang around either.

[Jlo]

Thanks Jason,

In fact you are correct with the double glazing. My grandfather had some new windows fitted a couple of years a go but the double glazing window they took out was much older.

I agree with you with alarms to. We always use ours. It is not monitored and maybe if I was getting a new one today or lived 'out in the sticks' I would go monitored but I am guessing the same as you that once the burglar sets of the alarm he will scarper.

If he is a professional then I am sure he will deal with alarms and everything but I am hoping a professional is not going to hit on a 3 bed semi!!

Sorry this has gone a little of topic!

Cheers

Jlo