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by Lauren » 23 Nov 2006 15:29
With the major international media attention given to the potential mis-use of key bumping, I decided to install a Medeco 3 residential deadbolt on my front door. I just had a brand new front door installed and I originally had a brand new Schlage lockset on it, with the concern this lock just wasn't good enough. And by the way, after I had removed the Schlage lock from my door, I wanted to see if I could bump it. It's a good thing that I bought the Medeco.
I had thoughts of how thieves could easily enter my home with a simple key, the back end of a screw driver, and a little lubercant; whereas, it may have been a crowbar. We'll, robbers can now pack a little lighter, and how long will it take before bump keys become the weapon of choice.
Let's be real, it doesn't take much skill to use a bump key, unlike picking.
I visted Medeco's news letter page, and they certainly wasted now time to talk about the superority of their locks and the resistance of key bumping in their design.
Naturally, if a thief wanted to break into someone's home, they're going to get in. But now, I can say, it won't be through key bumping on my front door. Also, I'm hearing rumors that an insurance company may not pay if there's no sign of forced entry. I love my M3 deadbolt. I purchased it via the net for $152.00 for keyed single sided.
So, Lockies. What's on your front door? [/b]
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by Romstar » 23 Nov 2006 15:38
Emhart interlocking pin.
BUMP THIS!
I happen to like these old things. Too bad Medeco sued them into oblivion.
The keys may have been similar, but the mechanism certain isn't. The bloody things are next to impossible to pick in any reasonable amount of time, they are resistant to drilling, and they just simply can't be bumped.
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by What » 23 Nov 2006 15:54
Romstar wrote:Emhart interlocking pin.
BUMP THIS!
I happen to like these old things. Too bad Medeco sued them into oblivion.
The keys may have been similar, but the mechanism certain isn't. The bloody things are next to impossible to pick in any reasonable amount of time, they are resistant to drilling, and they just simply can't be bumped.
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i envy you!
it would be awesome if medeco decided to manufacture some similar locks...
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by Romstar » 23 Nov 2006 16:50
Oh come on, I need SOMETHING to pick.
Medeco can be done, but honestly they are a pain, Emhart is ridiculous, and right now just talking about Abloy Protec gives me a headache.
I think I have something worked out for Abloy, but with all the other stuff I am trying to get done, it could be a while before I test all of it.
I got a half a$$ed idea a while ago about BS lever locks, and I am going to have to spend some money on a buch of those things in the future to see if the idea has any merit. If you want to have fun with a locksmith in North America, go in to their shop and tell them you want a mortised lever lock.
The look is priceless.
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by devildog » 23 Nov 2006 17:56
Well of course, the only lever locks we have in North America are the flat-steel-key ones used in safety deposit boxes.
Have you taken a crack at a Primus yet? I hear they're a good bit tougher than Medecos.
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by Romstar » 23 Nov 2006 17:59
devildog wrote:Well of course, the only lever locks we have in North America are the flat-steel-key ones used in safety deposit boxes.
Have you taken a crack at a Primus yet? I hear they're a good bit tougher than Medecos.
I did a while back. I honestly can't remember if I picked it or not. Most likely not.
If I spend much more on this stuff before I start making more money, they wife is going to use part of my anatomy for Christmas tree ornaments.
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by Lauren » 24 Nov 2006 20:07
Primus is certainly a cheaper alternative.The only thing I don't like about them is their key control. Primus can be easily duplicated by doctoring an SC4 blank. The side milling can be done on a drill press with a Dremel mini end mill bit.
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by Romstar » 25 Nov 2006 0:54
Lauren wrote:Primus is certainly a cheaper alternative.The only thing I don't like about them is their key control. Primus can be easily duplicated by doctoring an SC4 blank. The side milling can be done on a drill press with a Dremel mini end mill bit.
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Crap, now there is someone thinking.
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by n2oah » 25 Nov 2006 0:56
Romstar wrote:Emhart interlocking pin
That's my favourite lock
I've never heard of one being picked or surreptitiously opened.
"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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by Romstar » 25 Nov 2006 1:11
n2oah wrote:Romstar wrote:Emhart interlocking pin
That's my favourite lock I've never heard of one being picked or surreptitiously opened.
They can be picked. I just hope you like frustration.
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by mdarnton » 25 Nov 2006 9:52
I was thinking about getting a lever lock from England simply because of the lack of them in the US.
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by nezumi » 28 Nov 2006 16:15
I have a kwikset  Steel door set in a steel and cinder block frame, fourth floor apartment, and the lock can be picked by blowing hard on it. The life of a renter...
I tried to google the Emhart lock (made by Emhart industries, so says the patent), but couldn't find anything. Do they have a website?? The closest I could find is some company that makes nuts and bolts.
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by zeke79 » 28 Nov 2006 16:42
Lauren wrote:Primus is certainly a cheaper alternative.The only thing I don't like about them is their key control. Primus can be easily duplicated by doctoring an SC4 blank. The side milling can be done on a drill press with a Dremel mini end mill bit.
Lauren
In a drill press....... I am thinking not. The rotation differs would be pretty hard to cut without a suitable mill setup.
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by Romstar » 28 Nov 2006 17:27
nezumi wrote:I have a kwikset  Steel door set in a steel and cinder block frame, fourth floor apartment, and the lock can be picked by blowing hard on it. The life of a renter... I tried to google the Emhart lock (made by Emhart industries, so says the patent), but couldn't find anything. Do they have a website?? The closest I could find is some company that makes nuts and bolts.
I believe they were bought by Corbin a number of years back, and if memory serves even Corbin is owned by someone else now.
At any rate, they don't make that lock anymore. Medeco pretty much took care of that with a patent infringement lawsuit. Its a shame, because they are amazing locks and actually better than the Medeco in my opinion.
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