Do they make bump keys for American padlocks?

[klown]

We use American padlocks at work and people are constantly losing keys to them, I think they are 1500 series. I haven't had any luck after numerous tries with this locks. And I wonder if bump keys would work with this locks. Or do any of you have any techniques as how to open these locks?

[SFGOON]

Knox or Campbell?

[klown]

Took me a second to catch that one. Actually I work in manufacturing and keys get misplaced a lot and then out comes the old boltcutters. When we do prevenitive maintenace the machine has to be locked out and my co-workers have a bad habit of losing there keys during the work. Long story short a incident report has to be filed and someone has to be called to cut the lock off with bolt cutters. Besides that these locks drive me crazy, I have worked on them non stop for hours on end to no avail.

[Krypos]

uhhh..... you tried to pick them? ha! yeah, american padlocks come fully equipped with not only spool pins on nearly every key pin, but with serrated drivers as well. picking an american padlock is no easy feat. its brag worthy on the forums. and judging by all three of your posts, im assuming you dont have much picking experience, so i would say dont even bother trying to pick one. they are hard MFers.

[Krypos]

ok, someone else took these, so dont think i did it, but i saved the pics.





granted, this is the 50 series, but still.... it gives you the idea whats going on in there. oh, and i have bigger pics if anyone is interested.

[devildog]

Yeah, I've got bumpkeys for them, but I've NEVER been able to bump one; I know it's possible because it's a regular pin tumbler and others have done it, but it's a pain in the butt and probably not the best method--I'd try a mechanical pickgun if I was doing a lockout on one like what you're talking about.

[klown]

I would not consider myself a newbie at all, I have been picking for quite sometime, with that said I am certainly no expert. I new going into these locks that had spool pins, but I enjoy a challenge and I have seen these locks opened by a old locksmith here in town. It took him quite sometime but, he got it.

[/quote]and judging by all three of your posts, im assuming you dont have much picking experience, so i would say dont even bother trying to pick one. they are hard MFers.[quote][/quote]

[Kaotik]

I have never tried to bump one, but i'm not really into bumping alot though I have had some success in bump a large variety of locks.

If your up for a challenge like you said then those are the locks to try. I have picked some but their not all the same so there's some that I have not been able to pick. As mentioned they are hard, time consuming and will definitely put up a fight. Most of the time the lock wins, but I will not deter you from trying.

Good luck.

[LockNewbie21]

I think they have a bypass tool for them at lockpickshop.com

How ever i have never used it, perhaps someone who has it could shed some light.

But if you have permission to open the locks, its a 20$ tool, heck you couldmake a couple extra bucks at work helping the company with lock outs.


EIther way, i am not 100% positive the tool is effective as far as durable, but if somone used it they can answere.

If they chop it off mail the baby my way

[bumpit]

Is it possible for these types of locks to be shimmed. If so you could ask your work to give you some money to buy a few shims.

[devildog]

No, can't shim 'em--they use a heel and toe ball bearing locking mechanism.

I CAN'T believe I forgot about this, it's designed to do exactly what you want--the Peterson tool!!

http://www.peterson-international.com/by-pass-tools.htm

Get the wafer breaker kit w/ bypass tool, it's definately worth it for what you want.

[Legion303]

ok, someone else took these, so dont think i did it, but i saved the pics.

I sprained my eyes just looking at those pins.

What's the preferred method of picking 5 serrated/spooled pin stacks? I have enough trouble with 3 serrated spools (not even full stacks, just bottom pins) on the Brinks.

-steve

[Schuyler]

No, can't shim 'em--they use a heel and toe ball bearing locking mechanism.

I CAN'T believe I forgot about this, it's designed to do exactly what you want--the Peterson tool!!

http://www.peterson-international.com/by-pass-tools.htm

Get the wafer breaker kit w/ bypass tool, it's definately worth it for what you want.

Yeah, I just had this demonstrated to me at the last TOOOL Boston meeting. Works shockingly well.

[Krypos]

ok, someone else took these, so dont think i did it, but i saved the pics.

I sprained my eyes just looking at those pins.

What\'s the preferred method of picking 5 serrated/spooled pin stacks? I have enough trouble with 3 serrated spools (not even full stacks, just bottom pins) on the Brinks.

-steve

umm..... preferred method? if you dont know how to pick something like that alraedy, you\'ve got a ways to go before even thinking about it. i dont mean to insult you, but personally, i would suggest starting a bit easier.

[Legion303]

umm..... preferred method? if you dont know how to pick something like that alraedy, you\'ve got a ways to go before even thinking about it. i dont mean to insult you, but personally, i would suggest starting a bit easier.

I've been doing this for awhile now. :)

I know how to *go about* picking it, I was just wondering what the preferred method is--i.e., do you prefer to rake it open, single-pin pick, or a combination (my money's on combination; rake a few passes, then spp the false sets).

My Brinks is quite easy with the combination method, but I still have trouble picking each pin individually.

-steve