How to pick KABA?

by **kaba_admin** » 19 Apr 2004 5:59

Hallo from Switzerland
Have somebody idea, it is possible to pick this lock:
http://www.kaba.ch/sicherheitstechnik/mechanik/kabageminis/dsystembeschrieb.htm

by **salzi684** » 19 Apr 2004 6:05

Wow, thatâ€™s one sick looking lock. Yes it is possible to pick it, the only difference I see between that and a standard lock is more pins and a harder time manipulating the pins but, it is defiantly possible.

by **kaba_admin** » 19 Apr 2004 6:25

Are there a special tools or special technic to pick them?

P.S. Sorry for my bad english...

by **salzi684** » 19 Apr 2004 6:34

Don't worry about the English, I don't think anyone will have any trouble understanding you. I did a little research on it and I guess there are some special tools but I have never dealt with any kaba locks so I don't know what they are. Also from looking at that diagram it looks to be a lock that would better fit in the "High Security Locks" section which pretty much means until you gain access to that section about the best you're going to get is "yes that lock can be picked".

by **kaba_admin** » 19 Apr 2004 6:38

OK. Thank you very much !

by **salzi684** » 19 Apr 2004 6:44

No problem. I forgot to say welcome to the forums in my first post so, welcome to the forums. I don't know how much experience you have with lock picking so take a look around the site, there is a ton of information on here.

by **FuSL** » 19 Apr 2004 6:51

Hmn..
I don't know much about that kind of locks,
but I guess they are a little bit like the german KESO locks.
For those kind of locks ["BohrmuldenschlÃ¶sser"], there's a special pickset on http://www.multipick-service.com/en/too ... 100_en.htm [very bottom] it's for mul-t-locks and other locks of that kind. Maybe those help you picking it, I guess everything else is the same technique but with more pins :]
[If that is "too much" for the open forums, maybe some mod could tell me/ edit it :]

by **kaba_admin** » 19 Apr 2004 7:05

salzi684 wrote:No problem. I forgot to say welcome to the forums in my first post so, welcome to the forums. I don't know how much experience you have with lock picking so take a look around the site, there is a ton of information on here.

I would say about me that i am an andvanced "lockpicker", actually i can pick this lock, but i need a very long time for to do it. Normally about one hour , in worst case, there was an lock, i work on it four hours.
Waht i want to know, is there a method to pick this lock more faster. For example in a few minutes?

by **FuSL** » 19 Apr 2004 7:14

hmn.. I don't think one can do this much faster, maybe the tools will help a little bit..

another way MIGHT be to do that "foil-impressioning-trick", like shown in the h2k2 movie. Afaik it works for SOME mul-t- and keso locks, might work for that one too, in some cases.
basically it's using a blank with only deep boreholes arranged like on a real key, covered in some kind of.. tape/metallic foil [don't remember what exectly it was], put it in, wiggle it, and hope that after some time, the right shape is pressed in that foil, and it opens

by **kaba_admin** » 19 Apr 2004 7:41

FuSL wrote:hmn.. I don't think one can do this much faster, maybe the tools will help a little bit..

another way MIGHT be to do that "foil-impressioning-trick", like shown in the h2k2 movie. Afaik it works for SOME mul-t- and keso locks, might work for that one too, in some cases.
basically it's using a blank with only deep boreholes arranged like on a real key, covered in some kind of.. tape/metallic foil [don't remember what exectly it was], put it in, wiggle it, and hope that after some time, the right shape is pressed in that foil, and it opens

Thanks. I try already "Foil-impressioning-trick" after watched this movie, but it does not work whit this locks. I worked with a lot of different foil for weeks and i did not have success...

by **PickPick** » 19 Apr 2004 7:45

I don't know about the gemini but traditional impressioning works sometimes, too.

by **Chucklz** » 19 Apr 2004 9:55

This is the Gemini with pins arranged like this \|/ when looking at the center of the lock right? I have one of these, and I have yet to try foil impressioning. What my problem is that the cuts on the two sides of center are at an angle into the keyblank. I cannot find any way to cut the blank myself to an angled dimple cut.

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 19 Apr 2004 17:27

thankfully i have never been called upon to open a kaba like that

i think if faced with it i would try to pick it for ten minutes failing that i would attempt to impression it with plastic

by **kaba_admin** » 20 Apr 2004 1:30

HeadHunterCEO wrote:thankfully i have never been called upon to open a kaba like that

i think if faced with it i would try to pick it for ten minutes failing that i would attempt to impression it with plastic

What kind of plastic ? Explain, please.

by **Luke** » 20 Apr 2004 3:12

I would see the lock then reach for my drill and a cobalt tipped drill bit and a few spares. Or look for another way in/.

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