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Best Locks, How many keyways?

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Postby n2oah » 30 Oct 2005 17:53

grit1 wrote:


I ordered a bunch of BEST keyblanks from them about three weeks ago, and my order is still in "processing" and none of my e-mails have been responded to. I'm not too happy with that company right now. I'll post updates here as I hear more about my order, and if that is still a viable website. ~Grit.


I ordered my picks from there and the turned out fine. What method did you pay by?
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Postby grit1 » 30 Oct 2005 17:58

I payed with a credit card ... I even checked out the blanks via e-mail before I ordered ... I got the name of the company that makes them [it isn't ILCO]. I don't know what's going on. ~Grit.
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Postby n2oah » 30 Oct 2005 18:45

That's odd. I paid via money order and everything worked fine. Maybe you should check your card statement to see if they charged anything.
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Postby noorudeenshakur » 2 Nov 2005 6:47

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Postby vector40 » 2 Nov 2005 17:20

I'm trying to find out more about BEST keyways and it's a real bother with their PoS site.

Anyone who's more knowledgeable, please chime in. I don't think there's a single all-section master blank for the entire BEST family, but I assume there must be some system of mastery. Assume you wanted to gather a reasonable number of blanks (well, bump keys) to fit all, or nearly all, of the BEST keyways out there. Which would they be?
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Postby grit1 » 2 Nov 2005 17:37

As far as I've seen, there is no master blank for all Best cylinders. The "FM" keyway is marked as "master" on Ilco's keyblank index, but with "limited applications" and I'm not sure what that means, as I have never had such a blank in my hand. Most of their keyways could be considered "para-centric" and are at odd angles that can't really be composited into a master keyway. You probably will have to make a bump key for each of the 13 or so keyways.

noorudeenshakur - where did you find that keyway chart? Just curious...


*I just looked at the index and in the regular "long line" catalog they list 18 blanks.

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Postby vector40 » 3 Nov 2005 19:00

Maybe I should just call them and see if I can dredge up someone semiknowledgeable.
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Postby Chucklz » 4 Nov 2005 14:30

There are some common Best keyways. ie A,E,F,J,K I know that ilco does a blank that fits J and K keyways.
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Postby vector40 » 11 Nov 2005 20:38

I come bearing gifts.

Here's what I've learned... Falcon uses the following keyways for their SFICs (their conventional cylinders have another system, just a standard three-level tree):

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But see that text? It's true! BEST, Falcon, and Arrow -- for the most part -- use the same keyways.

Okay, I'm stretching here, because I can't actually verify that vis-a-vis Arrow. But I know it's true for BEST because it matches what the Ilco catalog shows, both the keyways and the names. The only thing Ilco has that's different is the aforementioned FM keyway...

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... which I assume is Ilco's own creation. And I dunno what it's for; you can see that while the IC keyways have quite a bit of paracentric variation, a good number of them DO share similarity, so it's quite possible that the FM could fit at least a few of them. Maybe someone with better eyes than me could superimpose the keyways and see what lines up.

Falcon uses the "A" keyway standard on its ICs, by the way. So what I'd really like to know is whether BEST has a similar default, or at least some preponderance; I have a hard time believing that they just have a dozen+ keyways in a hat and install random ones into each cylinder. Not sure about Arrow either, their literature sucks.

Making good headway, though. This is how you learn stuff, folks.

Another tip -- I was curious why the Ilco catalog didn't show variations for different pin numbers, then I remembered that BEST keys are tip-stopped. You just cut the blank as many times as you want! This may not mean much to the rest of you but if you're trying to reconcile bump keys and increasingly realizing that they basically end up as (keyway variations) * (pin variations), you'll understand that I'm very happy the "actual" number of BEST keyways isn't 18 times 2 or even 3.
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Postby Squelchtone » 28 Nov 2006 1:15

noorudeenshakur wrote:I have a medeco key that fits the lock, but as far as I know medeco's can not be bumped, so I'm not even bothering trying to make a key. I'll just keep them and get them re keyed.


If it happens to be a Medeco Keymark lock, it can certainly be bumped. I saw this demonstrated a couple weeks ago at my local locksmith shop. They were thankful I taught them about bump keys. Alas, they would not make me any.

boo... hiss..

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Postby keysman » 28 Nov 2006 2:42

Try here for a pdf (112k ) of best profiles, looks like 50 +

[url]http://lockshop.us/bestkeys[1].pdf[/url]



FM passes every lower keyway ( abcdef+ double and mixed letters)
I think. ( PLEASE DON"T quote me on that.)
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Postby WOT » 30 Nov 2006 9:20

keysman wrote:Try here for a pdf (112k ) of best profiles, looks like 50 +

[url]http://lockshop.us/bestkeys[1].pdf[/url]



FM passes every lower keyway ( abcdef+ double and mixed letters)
I think. ( PLEASE DON"T quote me on that.)


FM enters A-G (possibly DD and H as well). It's alright for locking/unlocking, but I wouldn't use it where the key is used to drive the door hardware. It's thin and fragile and it would soon break with such repeated usage.
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