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by greyman » 24 Nov 2006 14:55
OK - I'll take that as a give up. The answer is Fichet 690 (also called the surfinor, I think). It's a singe sidebar with 7 wafers.
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by zeke79 » 24 Nov 2006 20:47
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by n2oah » 25 Nov 2006 1:03
. That makes me sad that I couldn't get it. Now someone give me an easy one 
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by greyman » 25 Nov 2006 6:43
Zeke
I believe it's the same lock. I can't remember where I got the model number from. The problem with Fichet is they're so secretive that it's hard to figure out what their products are once they go out of production. Chances are the 666 = 690 with maybe some tiny mods. Where did you get the 666 number from? (the number of the beast...)
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PS I need some help on the S&G 6804 - how many depths of cut (see my question here: http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=16693)
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by greyman » 25 Nov 2006 14:15
n2oah, this one's for you
Hint: it's a lever lock (!!!)
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by raimundo » 26 Nov 2006 11:52
be careful, I think hes trying to throw you off telling you thats a lever lock, levers have and axle/fulcrum and this one definatly does not have the pivot point that defines lever 
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by mh » 26 Nov 2006 12:49
raimundo wrote:be careful, I think hes trying to throw you off telling you thats a lever lock, levers have and axle/fulcrum and this one definatly does not have the pivot point that defines lever 
Yes, quite obviously this is a wafer lock, with very large wafers that have integrated springs. Never have seen this one, though, but that's only a question of time, as greyman's book is about to be published...
Cheers,
mh
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by xorb » 2 Dec 2006 5:51
Agreed, all levers, including non lock levers operate on the pivit point principle. Therefore it is a very sophisticated, yet basic wafer tubler lock, probably found on safe deposit boxes or american style lockers.
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by greyman » 2 Dec 2006 7:16
I would prefer to call it a lever lock. Not all lever locks have pivoting levers but all wafer locks have a cylindrical plug. The lock in the picture has no plug but it definitely has a bolt. Also, if you see the key, it has bittings just like a regular (double bitted) lever key.
A further hint, it is not a US lock.
Keep those guesses coming 
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by xorb » 2 Dec 2006 7:23
The more I look at it, the more i can probably class it as a lever lock. Obviously no pivit action though. Although neither does the legge locks with that odd lever that moves up and down among two guide posts. Maybe we can class it as a new tumbler design?? A Waver lock (WAfer - leVER)!!!
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by jordyh » 2 Dec 2006 11:28
Zeke, that's one sexy lock, is there any information about those in the advanced forums?
Yours,
Jordy
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by zeke79 » 2 Dec 2006 12:32
jordyh wrote:Zeke, that's one sexy lock, is there any information about those in the advanced forums?
Yours, Jordy
Not that I have found  .
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by jordyh » 2 Dec 2006 12:43
pity
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by n2oah » 2 Dec 2006 18:25
I can't put a name to it, but it's got what looks like 4 levers. Perhaps there is also a fixed ward, but I can't quite tell.
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by greyman » 2 Dec 2006 19:48
n2oah, it's got 9 levers! You can only see 4 of them. Now that's a giveaway 
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