Need to replace safe cam lock, DUO cam lock any good?

by **bubuna** » 27 Nov 2006 0:21

Hi gang, glad to have found this place. I purchased a 6741D Executive Safe from costco made by siscoproducts.com The problem I have is I've read online to get rid of the garbage cam lock thats on the safe. I removed the cam and it does look and feel cheap, I'm very surprised that a 300lb $429 safe was fitted with a $3 cam lock :shock:

I called a local locksmith and asked for a medeco cam, he wanted $100 clams, then I saw a clip on youtube of a guy picking a medeco cam in a few secs. So I found this item 220052886840 on ebay for a DUO 14 tumbler high security cam lock. Do any of you have any experience with the DUO 14, can it be picked or bumped? any info would be great, also what high level cam lock would you recommend?

Thanks

by **iNtago** » 27 Nov 2006 0:40

bubuna wrote: Do any of you have any experience with the DUO 14, can it be picked or bumped?
Thanks

any lock can be picked, thou i dont think any cam lock can be bumped.

The person you saw on youtube is a very skilled picker not too many can do so.so a medico cam will most likely protect from anyone trying to get in (maybe a locksmith or 2 )

heres the ebay lock

i have no clue, never eaven hered of it, someone else will need to tell you that

by **Lucky1406** » 27 Nov 2006 0:48

I bought that same lock from that guy on ebay. And to tell you the truth, I wasn't satisified. The lock is stiff, and is hard to insert the key, and difficult to turn. Though I should probably just oil it. I don't know if you can bump it, but to pick this lock looks to be very very advanced. I have had no luck with it. If you were to see the inside of this lock, you would understand. The problem, is that if you ever need a new key, I doubt that you would be able to obtain a copy very easily. It not a very easy key to copy. Hope that some of this helped,
Nick

by **Gordon Airporte** » 27 Nov 2006 1:49

The Medeco cam locks are easier to pick than the full-sized models. I believe that the pins only need to rotated correctly and not lifted to particular heights (search is failing me here.) Of course, that means they won't be bumpable (and neither are full sized Medecos... without certain kinds of cheating), but they're still easier to pick.

by **bubuna** » 27 Nov 2006 2:03

Hi and thanks for the help, I went ahead and ordered the DUO from ebay. I mean for $10 is not bad I think and anything would be better that the cam I have now. what sold me is the 14 tumbler part.

by **What** » 27 Nov 2006 3:43

those locks are a pain in the a$$ to pick. we have them on the drawers in the chem labs at my school...

took me ~20 mins to pick.

by **Shrub** » 27 Nov 2006 8:39

They are a better lock than your standard wafer lock but can be picked quite regulary with practice, that said the first one i came up against was on a screw thread and needed to be picked 20 times or so before i could remove the draw it was on and finally replace the lock,

A nice lock but not the best out there,

by **n2oah** » 27 Nov 2006 8:58

Gordon Airporte wrote: I believe that the pins only need to rotated correctly and not lifted to particular heights (search is failing me here.)

You are correct.
I'd go with an Abloy lock. They make great cam locks (check out the exec series) that are very difficult to pick.

by **keysman** » 27 Nov 2006 17:20

n2oah wrote:
Gordon Airporte wrote: I believe that the pins only need to rotated correctly and not lifted to particular heights (search is failing me here.)

You are correct.

No ...the cam locks are height + rotation dependant they just don't have top pins,
The full size are Rotation + Height ( for the top shear line) the side bar is not height dependant

by **globallockytoo** » 27 Nov 2006 17:26

IMHO...Abloy make the best quality cam locks but if price is a sensitive issue you might consider Bilock.

Both Abloy and Bilock are impossible to bump and offer one of the highest degrees of pick resistance.

I have worked with DUO before and whilst it is is indeed inexpensive...remember you get what you pay for.

Not great quality IMHO

by **keysman** » 27 Nov 2006 17:31

DUO is a good lock .. kind of old technology.. I am not sure they are still being manufactured, they were used on a lot of city parking meters years ago , I have a few that were in use on a slot machineâ€¦ Personally I would go with Medeco or any of the Abloy locks, probably Abloy just because of the price difference. You could also go with MIWA a magnetic key cam lock with no visible moving parts .. makes â€˜em hard to pick

I think DB has one if you need more info

by **n2oah** » 27 Nov 2006 17:44

keysman wrote:
n2oah wrote:
Gordon Airporte wrote: I believe that the pins only need to rotated correctly and not lifted to particular heights (search is failing me here.)

You are correct.

No ...the cam locks are height + rotation dependant they just don't have top pins,
The full size are Rotation + Height ( for the top shear line) the side bar is not height dependant

Well, I guess they still have a little height difference between pins, but it's not something I'd really worry about picking-wise.

by **mercurial** » 3 Dec 2006 9:09

n2oah wrote:
keysman wrote:
n2oah wrote:
Gordon Airporte wrote: I believe that the pins only need to rotated correctly and not lifted to particular heights (search is failing me here.)

You are correct.

No ...the cam locks are height + rotation dependant they just don't have top pins,
The full size are Rotation + Height ( for the top shear line) the side bar is not height dependant

Well, I guess they still have a little height difference between pins, but it's not something I'd really worry about picking-wise.

I must agree with keysman.

I have a cutaway Medeco camlock here in my hand.

The pins have a small hole drilled (rather than a slot down the whole pin as would be the case if only rotation were significant) into their sides. The holes are at a specific height, corresponding to the height of the bitting on the key. They accept the matching 'teeth' of the sidebar.

The 'liittle height difference between pins' are of the same magnitude as the little height differences between pins in a conventional pin tumbler lock.

Thus even though there are no top pins, the pins must be both llifted and rotated correctly in order for the sidebar to retract allowing the plug to turn.

I'm not sure if I have explained this clearly, pictures would be much better, but I doubt my digital camera will be capable of showing the cutaway in enough detail to see the tiny holes in the pins that accept the sidebar's 'teeth', I'll try, and if I can get some usable pics I will post them tomorrow.

...Mark

by **n2oah** » 3 Dec 2006 12:35

The only Medeco camlock I have seen required no lifting of the pins.

by **arris** » 3 Dec 2006 13:14

go for abloy, if ya want the best get the pro-tec if you can, longest patent running so you can have it registered aswell

Need to replace safe cam lock, DUO cam lock any good?

Need to replace safe cam lock, DUO cam lock any good?

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