Schlage Maximum Security?

by **Lauren** » 2 Dec 2006 21:59

I was shopping at a local Home Depot the other day, and the associate was dealing with a customer who asked what the differences between a Schlage Maxium security keyed entrance lockset and a non-Schlage Maxium lockset that Home Depot was selling. The customer was wondering because both locksets use the same key. It's an interesting question because often times, as consumers we get fed these marketing buzz words like " maximum" and "ultra". I notice that Schlage is using cheap die cast cylinders in some of there locks these days, and their deadbolt collars are casted much lighter. I guess that the Kwikset standard was too overwhelming. The answer to the customer's question is probably the differences in design with the deadbolt and latching mechanism.

Oh well, on the residential level, Schlage propably needs a buzz word to justify price. The unfortunate truth, Schlage has mis-guided the consumer away from their semi-commercial and commercial line of products, which in my opinion, offer better security. :wink:

by **melvin2001** » 2 Dec 2006 22:24

the schlage maximum security deadbolts come with 4 spool pins and some other random features that dont actually matter. the ultra super duper kwiksets aren't much different really... although from what i have seen personally the overall quality of a schlage is still much better then a kwikset.

by **BazookaMedic** » 2 Dec 2006 22:33

yeah there is something about level 2 security so that means it has some pick resistant pins.

by **Gordon Airporte** » 2 Dec 2006 22:46

I got a Schlage 'Professional Grade' deadbolt from Lowes that also has four spools. It's nice to pick because it's clear what's going on in there: which pins are set, where the spools are, etc.

by **Stray** » 3 Dec 2006 2:07

Most of their security comes from protection against forced entry. So by protecting locks from being pryed open they call them higher security. (which is ok i guess since most attacks you get are forced entry.)

As for security have a look in the schlage special order catalogue behind the pro desk, that is the only place you are going to find anything "different" at home depot.

by **devildog** » 3 Dec 2006 2:29

Yeah, but if someone wanted a decent quality lock that wasn't too expensive the schlage deadbolts at lowes/home depot would be the first thing I'd recommend because they're good sturdy ANSI Grade 2 locks and therefore VERY resistant to forced entry (when installed properly). And the odds of someone trying to pick/bump a lock in a break in are so ridiculously slim as to be laughable (it still amazes me that there's people on here who honestly criticize locks for lack of pick/bump resistance--why in god's name would they need it when like 1 or 2% of break-ins involve that kind of sophisticated bypass method?!).

The main concern with any lock should always be how resistant they are to the most likely threat, which is always, by far, FORCED entry--hammers, rocks, bats, hatchets, crow bars, feet, screwdrivers, etc. NOT lockpicks or bumpkeys :roll:

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In fact, ironically, the most common entry method in residential burglaries is through an un-locked door or window :roll:

, then the second most common is force, and that covers about 80-90% right there, with the rest going to copied keys, insurance fraud by the homeowner, stolen keys, unknown methods, unsuccessful attempt, and maybe a remaining 1/2 of 1% to picking/bumping/pickguns/impressioning/bypass etc..

by **melvin2001** » 3 Dec 2006 2:54

i think even 1% or 2% is far too much...im pretty sure if a thief cant find an open door or window he will either move on to another house, or just bust a window if he wants in bad enough.

by **devildog** » 3 Dec 2006 3:38

Absolutely. You'll notice at the end I changed from '1-2%' to 'MAYBE 1/2 of 1%'

. 1/2 or 1/10 or 1/20 of 1%, it's something like that, nowhere near what some of the paranoid delusionals on here and in the media/public make it out to be :roll:

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If you want to see what a REAL burglar is going to do, watch 'It Takes a Thief' on Discovery (M-F, 6PM EST).

by **Krypos** » 3 Dec 2006 5:18

devildog wrote:If you want to see what a REAL burglar is going to do, watch 'It Takes a Thief' on Discovery (M-F, 6PM EST).

Amen to that.

yeah, it bugs me in general when you get real idiot smacktards who parade around "warning" the public that their home can be bumped open for thieves and they need to upgrade, blah blah blah.

the truth? there is a higher chance that SPAMMER - Do Not View ***** will walk into my room right now, and strip butt naked and sleep in my bed tonight, then there is of a SMART thief who will actually bump/pick someones home for theft.

end of story. now, if/when SPAMMER - Do Not View ***** walks into my room, i will 1) post about it after 5-10 long hours and 2) start warning the public about bump keys and picking threats.

nuff said. :lol:

by **bumpit** » 5 Dec 2006 1:56

It has to happen once and a while though. What happens if you got kicked out of your house lose your job and somehow got a massive criminal record because of a bug in the computer and all you have left was your lock picking stuff. Times can get bad but thatâ€™s probably why the 1% is more like .15%. I bet there are some smart criminals out there too but most of them are as creative and intelligent as my dog. So far my dog can't pick locks.

by **keysman** » 5 Dec 2006 4:14

Well it could be MUCH higher than you are suggesting.. the fact that " common burgurlarsâ€ leave evidence ie broken windows , doors ect , get those crimes immediately noticed and reported. Crimes committed with a pick or a bump key leave little or no obvious evidence.

Think of a situation in an office or school .. a door / file cabinet is bumped or picked, information or items are taken that others may have had access to.
If the â€œ crimeâ€ is even noticed all, other people who may have had access are â€œsuspectedâ€ , the criminal gets away and nobody even knows it.

Crimes like the one mentioned above are almost NEVER reported, so they donâ€™t get included in those statistics.

by **Schuyler** » 5 Dec 2006 16:11

Keysman hit the nail on the head for me. And, re: your previous statistics, how often are home-owners told that they must have left a door unlocked?

by **numeroquatro** » 5 Dec 2006 18:49

I am trying to find a lock to practice with that has spool pins, but does not have the little serrations on the ends of the spools like my American Padlock. I can pick the American with just three pins, but I need something a little easier.

Sounds like these high security Schlages might do the trick, or do they have the serrations too?

Will its say on the box which ones have spools pins? I have asked people at Lowes but they just look at me funny.

Thanks

by **melvin2001** » 5 Dec 2006 21:33

no the schalges do not have spoorated drivers (i love that)... and yes some of them say right on the back they have "high security pins" or something like that.... if i remember right they had like a chart saying

..........................Our features........Our competetors features
wipes your butt...........YES............................NO
molests your dog........YES.............................NO
High security pins........YES............................NO

and so on...
you like my table? that took me like 20 minutes to make...

by **unbreakable** » 5 Dec 2006 21:46

melvin2001 wrote:no the schalges do not have spoorated drivers (i love that)... and yes some of them say right on the back they have "high security pins" or something like that.... if i remember right they had like a chart saying

..........................Our features........Our competetors features
wipes your butt...........YES............................NO
molests your dog........YES.............................NO
High security pins........YES............................NO

and so on...
you like my table? that took me like 20 minutes to make...

heheh, I do like it!

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