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DIY 2in1 Picks

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

DIY 2in1 Picks

Postby snapcarp » 16 Sep 2006 8:48

DIY 2in1 Pick

Tools:
Hand files, needle files, Xacto razor saw, junior hacksaw, electric drill and bits, marker pen, scriber, centre punch, hammer, vice.

Materials brass:
1x Rod 5/32” diameter x 12”, 1x Tube 3/16” diameter x 12”,
1x Tube 7/32” diameter x 12”, 1x Strip 1/16” x 1/2” x 12”
The 5/32” dia. brass rod will fit inside the 3/16” dia. brass tube, and this will fit inside the 7/32” dia. brass tube.
Other: wooden wheels, glue, silver solder and flux.
Available from good model shops or mail order.

Description:
The tool consists of two parts, the inner (primary) shaft and outer (secondary) shaft, which move independent of each other. The tang on the inner assembly locates in the talon of the bolt thrower and thus provides the means to apply tension to the bolt. The tang on the outer assembly is used to raise the individual levers in the lock, which enables the lock to be picked. This assumes the bolt thrower is located at the back of the lock, behind the levers. If the bolt thrower is located at the front of the lock, the outer assembly will engage the talon and the inner assembly will be used to raise the levers.
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Procedure:
The inner assembly.

Cut the materials as listed in the photos, none of the measurements are critical though, the diameters are fixed but you can vary the lengths to suit.

The main (primary) shaft.
Cut a 6” length of 5/32” dia. rod

Tip:
Scribed lines can be made to stand out by coating the materials with a permanent marker pen beforehand.

The tang.
Drill a 5/32” dia. hole in a small piece of the flat brass and with hole aligned and held flush behind the keyway, the outline of the keyway can then be transferred to this with a scriber.
Saw and file the piece to roughly the right shape. Final shaping will be done after the silver soldering process.
Cut the two collars from 3/16” tube and 7/32” tube, slide an off cut of rod/tube or a combination of both into the tube to prevent it from collapsing when held in the vice.

Deburr all pieces.
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Procedure:
The outer assembly.

The outer (secondary) shaft.
The two pieces of tube are telescoped together to provide a greater wall thickness and hence more strength. The inner tube passes through the tang while the outer tube butts up to it.

The tang.
The tang for the outer assembly is as described above, but with a 3/16” dia. hole instead of 1/8” dia.

Deburr all pieces.
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The tang end of the two shafts, assembled, deburred and degreased.
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The inner and outer shafts are silver soldered as two separate assemblies.
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The outside dia. was reduced slightly (with files) to approx 5g / 5.30mm to fit the lock, final measurements of the tangs and are obtained from the lock and levers.
The thickness of the tangs may need reducing depending on the levers.

After a clean and polish, looking good!
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The handle end of the inner shaft

The two pieces of tube are silver soldered to the end of the inner shaft. This serves two purposes, firstly to stop the outer shaft from sliding off the end, and secondly to provide a base for the attachment of one of the wheels.
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The metalwork completed, the positions where the wheels (handles) will go, has been roughened and degreased to help the adhesive make a good bond.
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Wheels
They were given two coats of sealer and two coats of lacquer. A hole of 7/23” was drilled in each and they were attached with epoxy glue.
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When the glue is set (24 hours) if you can wait that long, it’s time to put it to the test.
As they say “It does what it says on the tin”.

Very satisfying opening a lock with a home made tool, it took me longer to write this than to make the tool.
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Left to right, LH 5g wavy keyhole, Universal 5g plain keyhole, Universal 5g plain keyhole made for this article.
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Buy two pairs of wooden wheels, as one length each of the brass sections listed will be enough for two picks.

An enjoyable afternoon in the garage, an opportunity to use my new camera in anger and another pick for my toolbox.

A big thank you to all of you who have posted articles on silver soldering, the operation, picking techniques and tools for 2 and 3 lever mortice locks, without which my DIY 2in1 picks would still be a dream.
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Postby Aqua » 16 Sep 2006 8:59

Well done. Great pictures and info. The pics look nearly like commercial ones. Congratulations.

I vote for making it a sticky.

Cheers,
N.
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Postby illusion » 16 Sep 2006 9:49

That's such a cool idea - and I'm loving the handles. :)

We have so much info on this site, and when I see new stuff like this it shows how much more there is to learn.

For 2+3 lever I may stick with my wire picks... But for 7+ lever locks I may very well make some - They look pretty nice.

Thanks very much for this - I really appreciate it.

Urmmhh... It would be a great sticky IMO. :)

One question I want to ask - How strong is it? Some locks need a bit of fore to throw the bolts, is it up to this?
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Postby snapcarp » 16 Sep 2006 10:38

Increasing the wall thickness on the outer assembly by the use of two tubes gives reasonable strength

If three tubes were used starting with 5/32" and finishing with 7/32", a 1/8" dia. rod could be used for the inner assembly.

Build up the tang on the inner assembly starting with 5/32" tube and fix this to a 1/8" dia. length of silver steel with bearing retainer or similar.

This should provide more strength to both of the tangs.

Thanks for the comments :D
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Postby Shrub » 16 Sep 2006 10:46

Well done, im glad this area of tooling and guides is now being explored,

I also think it would make a good sticky so i shall do that now for you,

A small note is that i think B+Q sell various sizes of brass tube as well if one of the dieing breed of real model shops isnt nearby,

Again well done 8)
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Postby unbreakable » 22 Sep 2006 14:49

Wow, what an awesome post!!

We've been needing a DIY 2 in 1 guide for a while now!

Thanks a million :D :D :D

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2 in 1 pick

Postby scampdog » 15 Oct 2006 19:54

Well done Snapcarp, excellent workmanship,a real good eye for detail, and great pics.
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Postby LockNewbie21 » 24 Oct 2006 17:57

Brilliant, we have no levers around here.. well not many.

But those tools are absolutly flawless.

Superbjob mate :)
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Postby natastna2 » 22 Nov 2006 8:33

Great tutorial, thanks for the information, I was just hoping you coudl tell me if i were to modify this design to make 7g picks, would that just mean increasing the outside diameter to 7.3mm? Thanks Ant.
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Postby Stray » 22 Nov 2006 16:24

LockNewbie21 wrote:Brilliant, we have no levers around here.. well not many.

But those tools are absolutly flawless.

Superbjob mate :)


Well I found a cheap little mortise lock at hd for 12.47$ cad (it cost me 8 because it was missing a key (comes with 2).

I got it because I Figured it was probably going to be the only cheap way to learn the basics of simple lever lock picking on this side of the pond.

I'm sure there are more out there but thats the first one I've spotted.
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BTW Nice DIY pick, and good job purdy-ing it up like that.
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Postby snapcarp » 23 Nov 2006 15:35

About 7g dimensions.

Hi Ant, I do not have any 7g locks at the moment but as far as I can make out 7g is approx 4.4mm diameter.

:idea:
You could substitute the following:

Inner part 1/8" dia. rod

Outer part 5/32" and 3/16" dia. tubes, one inside the other.

With the smaller dimensions some strength will be lost, but should be adequate for a lock in good working order.

Hope this helps

:)
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Postby slipperychicken » 23 Nov 2006 16:34

many thanks on the pick plans they work a treat although i have to say i used steel rather than brass for the 5/32 rod and work hardened brass for the tang only because i had some in the workshop and the bottom tang i drilled the steel rod and used a 3mm alen key brazed in for a bit more strenth i tend to be a bit rough at times but apart from that yeah great stuff many thanks again
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Postby JackNco » 13 Dec 2006 17:52

Very nice bit of work. any chance of a video if it in action?

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Postby snapcarp » 15 Dec 2006 12:54

Only if Santa brings me the kit to do it !! :D

Just worked out I have missed the last post to Lapland, :(

Perhaps next Christmas then. :)
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Postby JackNco » 15 Dec 2006 20:35

DUDE! just realized ur only up the road from me. where about are u?
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