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Could someone help me identify the blank for this key?

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Could someone help me identify the blank for this key?

Postby WOT » 25 Nov 2006 23:42

[img]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8893/key2rh6.jpg[.img]
.093" thickness
1.0" L x 0.83" W bow size
2.164" tip to bow length, shoulder stopped.
1.21" shoulder to tip
0.335" body height.

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Left side is cut. 6 cuts. The edge that is cut has bi-level thickness. All cuts are straight.

There's no marking as to what brand key system it is.
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Re: Could someone help me identify the blank for this key?

Postby WOT » 25 Nov 2006 23:43

The first image:

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.093" thickness
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Re: Could someone help me identify the blank for this key?

Postby WOT » 25 Nov 2006 23:47

ugh.. didn't load.

the first image:
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Postby iNtago » 25 Nov 2006 23:50

It ses Do Not Duplicate ... why do you need a blank
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Postby Krypos » 25 Nov 2006 23:56

personally, i would say american. i dont have any, so i could be WAAAAAY off. but thats my guess, or a medeco knockoff with rounded peaks.

maaaaaaybe a masterlock key for something crazy.


but again, those are MY* unprofessional and unknowledgable ideas. grr.
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Postby Krypos » 25 Nov 2006 23:57

didnt load? thats funny, cuz i saw the first and second image. and now the third one, the first one didnt have the key code blurred out.

is this a house key?
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Postby WOT » 26 Nov 2006 0:11

Krypos wrote:didnt load? thats funny, cuz i saw the first and second image. and now the third one, the first one didnt have the key code blurred out.

is this a house key?


it's for my building main doors. the security of building itself is worse than Kwikset anyways (garage door opener, combinated w/ generic transponder w/ 256 possible combos) but they for some reason chose to use a high security cylinder lock for the pedestrian access.

I could simply buy another transponder and copy over the code, but the garage door is only on one side of the bldg, so I have to walk around the bldg to go in from it.
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Postby Raccoon » 26 Nov 2006 1:01

For some reason I want to say it's a restricted sargent blank. Reminds me of a keyway they use on one of our campus buildiings.
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Postby WOT » 26 Nov 2006 2:43

Why didn't I think of this. I just looked at the cylinder cover and and it reads Schlage. It's hard to read since the engraving is very shallow and years of weathering tarnished it a lot.

The key itself isn't stamped w/ the marking "restricted keyway", patent #, or any name, so I am guessing it is NOT a restricted keyway.
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Postby WOT » 26 Nov 2006 3:35

WOT wrote:Why didn't I think of this. I just looked at the cylinder cover and and it reads Schlage. It's hard to read since the engraving is very shallow and years of weathering tarnished it a lot.

The key itself isn't stamped w/ the marking "restricted keyway", patent #, or any name, so I am guessing it is NOT a restricted keyway.


Here's a picture of the keyway and a picture of the key after horizontal flip has been performed on computer, so it matches the keyway's orientation.

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Postby melvin2001 » 26 Nov 2006 4:00

looks like a best type "K" keyway.
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Postby Raccoon » 26 Nov 2006 7:14

WOT wrote:The key itself isn't stamped w/ the marking "restricted keyway", patent #, or any name, so I am guessing it is NOT a restricted keyway.


For the highest security, keys should have zero identifying features. I wouldn't use a key that mentioned brand, keyway number, etc for commercial properties.

Well, looking at Kaba/Ilco's online key catalogue, it looks like it may be an SC1456. What do you think?

http://www.kaba-ilco.com/key_systems/pd ... df#page=25
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Postby Shrub » 26 Nov 2006 10:36

The locks dont have do not duplicate stamped on them the keys do,

The fact that it says do not duplicate means you shouldnt, there will be somebody in the building who has the details for getting the keys cut, if you dont have a key it may mean they dont want you to have one or they simpy have missed you so simply ask, chances are they have copies anyway,
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Postby WOT » 21 Dec 2006 9:15

Raccoon wrote:
WOT wrote:The key itself isn't stamped w/ the marking "restricted keyway", patent #, or any name, so I am guessing it is NOT a restricted keyway.


For the highest security, keys should have zero identifying features. I wouldn't use a key that mentioned brand, keyway number, etc for commercial properties.

Well, looking at Kaba/Ilco's online key catalogue, it looks like it may be an SC1456. What do you think?

http://www.kaba-ilco.com/key_systems/pd ... df#page=25


I tried the SC1456 and a few other ones from the same area of the ilco catalog that appeared to be a possible match. There was one that matched on one side, but none from the ilco catalog matches the other side and the lock is perhaps 16 years old so likely whatever patent it had expired if it did to begin with.
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Postby Isakill » 21 Dec 2006 15:31

I tried the SC1456 and a few other ones from the same area of the ilco catalog that appeared to be a possible match. There was one that matched on one side, but none from the ilco catalog matches the other side and the lock is perhaps 16 years old so likely whatever patent it had expired if it did to begin with.


Shouldn't matter. There's keyblanks in the catalog from 40-69 Fords, Chevys ect. So the lock being 16 years old should have no bearing on what the catalog has within it.
I've even identified some blanks (my great uncle was a locksmith in the 60's) for some padlocks and household entries from that time frame.

Hopefully I can still use those old blanks someday
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