Tool recommendations, information on your favorite automatic and/or mechanical lockpicking devices for those with less skills, or looking to make their own.
by pyroxilater » 10 Apr 2004 8:11
has any1 ever tryed to make a pick gun? is it possible to make 1 out of a cordless drill? i tryed 1ce but i never got it to stay on the drill.
if ne1 has ever done this and gotten it to work could you send instructions and a pic plz?
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by toomush2drink » 10 Apr 2004 12:32
there is plenty on this subject in the right forum - lockpicks automatic/mechanical. A quick search should find it.
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by CitySpider » 10 Apr 2004 12:58
Sort of (I've made two "manual" ones), and you almost definitely can not. Pick guns do not spin.
Oh, and it's "once" and "anyone."
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by PYRO1234321 » 13 Apr 2004 1:40
After reading all the posts about making a decent electric pick gun, i was pondering the possibilities while trimming my beard, when the answer became very obvious. An electric hair/beard trimmer/clipper has the perfect strength and motion for this purpose (single plane vibration). Although the model i used was AC, it did have adjustable vibration screws on the side and it can be used with a DC to AC car inverter with no problems. After unscrewing the blades, a small length of wiper blade insert ~<3" was attached to the arm that moves the blade back and forth with a pinch of epoxy putty (JB weld type stuff commonly sold at auto supply stores). This thing worked unbelievably well on 2 weiser deadbolts and a master pro padlock, until the putty let go due to the residual oil on the vibration arm (before i could take usable pictures).
I would imagine that a cordless version would work just as well, just a little more $. i think i paid $20 for my plug in version. Since i use my trimmer quite often, i will not do further permanent modifications until i do a little shopping first. since the only work that needs to be done is attaching a pin to the vibration arm, it makes a cheap and effective alternative to an expensive electronic pick gun. This seems a lot more effective than an electric toothbrush or the like.
Just thought i would throw the idea out there in case anyone else wants to try/improve on the idea.
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by macaba » 13 Apr 2004 6:13
Heheh, there you go again, continueing to be the great DIY lockpick master. Thats a GREAT idea. I can imagine the mechinism to be similar to the patent drawings of the electric lockpicks. I admit i havn't seen many adjustable ones so a portable and adjustable one could be tricky to find.
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by PYRO1234321 » 13 Apr 2004 13:41
Thanks macaba...
just to clarify, the vibration adjustment is not very obvious and not usually labeled as such (maybe in the manual) but usually present on most that i have seen (including a corless i saw, i just got back from a department store). It is usually 2 plastic coin slot screws on the side that control the positioning and vibration space of the wishbone assembly that electromagnetically vibrates and moves the final vibration arm. now i have to take a break from typing all those big words.....
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by Romstar » 21 Apr 2004 15:21
Well, the simple answer is yes, it's possible.
The other side of that is that it is a bit more difficult than you might think.
I've made two manual pick guns, more than my fair share of "springers" and so far five electric pick guns.
Like pyro, one of the first guns was based almost exactly on an electric shaver. One gun was based on a cordless drill with added parts. Looked a lot like several of the comercial ones I have seen.
One of the guns was based almost exclusively on the original "Cobra" electronic pick.
My last gun was based on a battery powered electric shaver. Almost the same idea again as Pyro's. Modifications had to be made, but after it was done distance of pick travel, speed of vibration, and in and out motion were all adjustable. Tension wrenches are attachable to the front of the unit, allowing one handed operation.
As made, six different pick profiles, and twelve tension wrenches were available. Almost always, only a choice of a left or right tension wrench profile was required. The remainder of the profiles were for specialized locks.
I may make another of these in the future, and document the procedure for all of you as I do it.
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by technik » 23 Apr 2004 20:41
yeh, id love to see some pictures. Sounds like your a royal DIYer!
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by Romstar » 24 Apr 2004 22:51
Well, DIY is what a lot of the fun is about. There is only so long you can pick locks without looking for something else to do.
The wow factor is really cool too. I like knowing that something I made does the job as well or even better than the device it was designed to copy.
Currently I am working on some new manual picks in the same style as the HPC 2000 series.
I have to drag out the special needles for the sewing machine so I can stitch leather. Hand stitching is a pain, especially when you are trying to put in a zipper.
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by toomush2drink » 25 Apr 2004 12:40
have to drag out the special needles for the sewing machine so I can stitch leather. Hand stitching is a pain, especially when you are trying to put in a zipper.
Just a tip from an ex cobbler use double sided sticky tape to hold the zip in place when sewing it or alternatively use some neoprene / rubber based contact glue/adhesive like the stuff you find in the bicycle puncture repair kits. To do it by hand make a the hole with a sharp awl first and as you withdraw the awl follow the needle through the hole from the other side.
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by Romstar » 25 Apr 2004 15:15
Thanks, I appreciate the advice.
Normally I use an adhesive on the zipper where the two pieces of leather come together, and then stitch it together.
I'm just tired of using hand tools.
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by falcon_9 » 24 Jul 2004 23:04
Hi all I have just made a pick gun out of my old Braun rechargable tooth brush worked ok on a Union oval cylinder and on a and ERA UK locks (keyways not too restrictive) not the most powerful vibration on it, but! if you get some pins done with hand pick then finish off with it, on them hard to reach places. Never seen the real mcoys in action lot a money to pay if dont work work.
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by e-potis » 25 Jul 2004 18:43
Also made one from a braun toothbrush, but the needle was too flexible absorbing most of the vibration energy itself. So I guess that's why it hasn't worked yet.
The good thing about it is that it has a timer. Let's you know when you should stop fooling around and get your manual pick set out.
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by S3rratedSp00L » 25 Jul 2004 23:58
Hmmm... I have a braun shaver. Maybe I should shave before I make it into a pick though
I would be interested in seeing the guts of a commercial electric pick gun. If anyone here would like to post pics, that would be great. I'm gonna search old posts looking for some pics just in case there are some.
I have a couple of motorola pager vibrating motors, but I doubt they would push hard enough. Might open a kwikset or two though, like my homemade snap gun  These little pager vibrators are just an unbalanced weight on the end of a tiny electric motor. One of these, a switch, a 9-volt, some wire, a method of attachment and an old straight pick might make a simple electric pick gun. Probably wouldn't have enough kick to do locks with stiffer springs in them. Hmm.. I think the braun shaver would have more kick! 
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by 007 » 27 Jul 2004 9:50
I love the Ideas here. I have a couple items I would like to convert into a electiric pick gun, such as a electric toothbrush, and hair clippers.
Also What type of motion does the mechanism need to have basically?
Is it like up and down or side to side?
NOT circlular right?
Cuz I have a cordless dremel i was wondering if it could insert a needle(pick) and if it would do anything besides wreck the lock.
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