Euro lock lock out !

by **RangerF150** » 23 Dec 2006 8:43

Hi all,
I was working on a job, where a neighbour had locked himself out!
The door closed behind him, with a key in the lock on the inside, while he had a key it would not work from the outside off the door. Presumably because there was a key stuck in the lock on the inside.

We removed a window pane beside the door and got in that way.

My question is, how come the euro lock will not open if there is a key in it on one side ?
Aside from removing the window ( we're builders not locksmiths!!!) is there a "proper" way to do this, a non destructive one ?

by mh » 23 Dec 2006 9:16

Some euro cylinders are that way - a key inserted on one side pushes the key on the other side out.
In this case, any opportunity to turn the 'inside key' to the 0 degree position will do - however that might be feasible at your door.

Some other euro cylinders have a feature that allows to insert and turn keys on both sides.

Cheers,
mh

by **mark davis** » 23 Dec 2006 9:43

All euro cylinders work in this way, the only ones that don't are called Hotel cylinders with these cylinders you can still turn a cylinder even if the other one is engaged.

by **ponsaloti** » 23 Dec 2006 9:48

If you take apart a euro cyl, you will see how this happens. the proper way to overcome this is to call a locksmith.
ps can i ask you what did you charge him for this service?

by **horsefeathers** » 23 Dec 2006 14:03

Sounds like this lock - a multipoint on a upvc door I assume (door closed behind customer and locked itself - like a Yale latch) is one that was susceptible to bypass, one that is quick, cheap and non-destructive. An advanced topic I am afraid.

regards

by **RangerF150** » 23 Dec 2006 16:57

Thanks for the replies all :-)

Your assumption horsefeathers is correct, it was a uPVC door.
Off course I would like to know how to bypass it in a non destructive way, but if that's "advanced" then so be it !!!
As for charging the guy, he was a pensioner, that asked us for help, so we were not really goin to charge him. He did give us E20, and wound up with a cracked window. It cracked upon putting it back in again .....

Hey like I say , we're builders not locksmiths, we break things for a living :-)

by **Bump** » 24 Dec 2006 5:56

The Euro and Oval profile type cylinders work by the key tip engaging a small two part "butterfly" cam which in turn is shunted into a central main cam or cog that turns and disengages the bolt. With a key in the opposite side its not possible to shunt the "butterfly" cam into position and, therefore, engage the main cam or cogwheel unless you can displace the key.

Most UPVc mechanisms with a nightlatch facility can can be bypassed if all that has happened is that the housholder has closed the door on the latch. Some, however, such as the Ferco/GU Europa have a mech that engages the deadbolt when the locking mech is operated and then require the key to open them.

As discussed, bypass methods are not for the open forum and in such a case its best to call a Locksmith.

by **RangerF150** » 24 Dec 2006 6:28

Bump wrote:Most UPVc mechanisms with a nightlatch facility can can be bypassed if all that has happened is that the housholder has closed the door on the latch.

As discussed, bypass methods are not for the open forum and in such a case its best to call a Locksmith.

I think I know how to bypass such an instance, if as you say it's just the latch, that's no different than a standard latch.

However, for the record!
I do not "tout" my ability to open locks. It's a hobby I enjoy at home and that's where it stays. I do not bring my picks out, nor does anybody that know's me know that I pick locks. It's better that way less someone get the wrong idea !!!!!

We were able to remove a pane of glass in order to open the door, had that option not been available, he would have been calling a locksmith.

I think this is a great hobby, and I love to know how things work, but I am carefull in what I do with that knowledge.

by **Bump** » 24 Dec 2006 7:27

Whoah Ranger! Don't remember suggesting you "touted" anything, just trying to be helpful.

by **RangerF150** » 24 Dec 2006 8:50

Bump wrote:Whoah Ranger! Don't remember suggesting you "touted" anything, just trying to be helpful.

Sorry dude , not suggesting anything there. That was just a generall statement not aimed at anyone!
Just making it clear where I am coming from, that's all.
Sorry if you misunderstood me, that's my bad for not being clear.
Regards :-)

by **ponsaloti** » 24 Dec 2006 11:40

did you replace glass you broke for new glass.

by **RangerF150** » 24 Dec 2006 11:59

ponsaloti wrote:did you replace glass you broke for new glass.

What do you think !!!!!
It was just a small crack, hey we were just trying to help out :-)

Euro lock lock out !

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