Special lock

[j9678]

Take a look of these two locks. Can they be pick by ordinary picks ?

[/img]http://www.szhuang.com/images.php?id=149

[bobgolding]

A little hard to tell for sure, but it just looks like a dimple keyed lock...and the keys don't appear to have too many pins either. I've heard, but can't verify that asian made dimple key locks are inferior to their european cousins as far as pick resistance. In any case, most all dimple key locks are pickable with relatively conventional picks, and also impressionable. If I had to open this one without knowing anything more about it, I would probably try impressioing if it didn't yield to picking easily. Where did you get, and more importantly, where, and how much would it cost for me to buy one!

[technik]

I know this post is ancient history, but it was all I could substantially dig up on dimple locks. Ive seen the locks on safes at the shop, so I figured they were high security, but have read they can be picked with conventional tools? do you just depress he pins like you would if they were in a vertical position??? I dont care about hong kong variations, just saving a new post

Thanks

Tech

[raimundo]

Dom IX is dimple key, and i have never even tried to pick one, I took on apart and saw how closely machined the pins are, the pins are not round, they have a shape that prevents rotation because they are in two rows along the core, and neither row is topdeadcenter. so the tops of the pins have to maintain the slope of the curvature of the plug. Kaba seems to be a flat unwarded keyway for dimple pins, and would probably be a good one to try, I don't have a lock, but I have found a key in the street. it also has dimple cuts on the edges. Look at matt blazes photos and writing on crypto.com site. ( apparently there is a crypto.net or other site with a very similiar name that is not Matt Blazes.) Matt takes very good photos, and writes a good paper on the locks he takes apart and picks. Look for MUL-T-Lock or multilock on matts site or at search google for serrures de haute securite' monmartre/autres. and look at the two pages of key photos, some of these keys can be clicked on and this could show you an expanded drawing of the locks.

[FuSL]

to abuse that thread a little bit..
is there anything special I have to care about picking keso/kaba locks?
[same principle as mul-t-lock afaik, very popular around here..]

I mean, hey, it's a LOT of pins on the sides, top and bottom, but, except for that... anything special? :]
I only know there's some specially designed picks for them.. [multipickservice.com :] and that one might be able to use foil impressioning..

[LittlePeaceful]

At:
http://www.locksmith-tools-supply.com/products/products_main223.htm

Rogan Industrial Co.,Ltd. offer a pocket tool set specifically designed to pick Kaba locks with some usage tips.

Hope this can help.

[Chucklz]

THe Kaba Gemini locks, have three rows of pins, top left and right. THe left and right pins are set in at a 45 degree angle. The pins actually "overlap" so it can be very difficult to pick just the pin you want to.

[FuSL]

@little peaceful

that's those matador stile picks, afaik.. :]
a rake-like thingy for those borehole locks..
yet have to try them :]

@chucklz
yeah.. but if I'm not too wrong, the geminis are pretty new, they aren't used anywhere yet, and expensive, so I guess I won't be able to get my hands on one in the near future.. :]

hnm..

[Chucklz]

I got mine for 10 dollars US on ebay, so keep a lookout.

[FuSL]

hnm.. I'll try..

maybe I can force my stepfather to tell me where in our firm the one and only keso/kaba lock we own is placed.. :]