GUESS THE LOCK GAME!!

[greyman]

Greetings and happy new year to you mh

The lock in your picture can be one of two things, and I'm not sure which one:

1. Lagard 2200 or similar key-operable combination lock with S&G type combination wheels.

2. Carl Kastner disc-tumbler lock - very much like an Abloy and invented in the early 1900s.

Cheers

greyman

[mh]

Greetings and happy new year to you mh

Thanks
Again, Europe will be some time ahead (as usual).

2. Carl Kastner disc-tumbler lock - very much like an Abloy and invented in the early 1900s.

Well, I guess I need to buy a copy of your book - if only you would finally publish it... Thinking of that - I could help proofreading the parts that involve German language... I'm sure this Carl Kastner has written some stuff in German...

Back to the pictured lock: it's a Chinese or Taiwanese lock (I believe), the key has "ANKEH" written on it, and the only reference I found to that name is here: http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11061214837105
(so I think it's Taiwanese)

It's indeed very similar to an Abloy classic, just with a different key interface. I'll post more pictures later.

Cheers,
mh

[n2oah]

1. Lagard 2200 or similar key-operable combination lock with S&G type combination wheels.

Surely, it is not a safe lock like the LG 2200. mh is no fair player! He's giving us locks that he himself can't identify!

[mh]

1. Lagard 2200 or similar key-operable combination lock with S&G type combination wheels.

Surely, it is not a safe lock like the LG 2200. mh is no fair player! He's giving us locks that he himself can't identify!

Go ahead and identify Chinese locks... It's quite similar to Chinese rice bags... Though more interesting, I think.

Because the key to this lock does in fact look like a short LG 2200 key, could probably be "cut" on the same equipment.

More pictures to follow soon.

Cheers,
mh

[greyman]

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Well, I guess I need to buy a copy of your book - if only you would finally publish it... Thinking of that - I could help proofreading the parts that involve German language... I'm sure this Carl Kastner has written some stuff in German...
[...]
Cheers,
mh

mh - gimme a break! I've been totally flat tack (working hard that is) this year on the book. I've submitted the final version of the manuscript now to the publisher and it's over to them now. They say 3 - 6 months, though I think 6 months will be closer to the truth. Yes - it would have been good to have your input on the German locks, but luckily help was to hand via some collectors I know. I knew nothing about patent German locks until I met these guys.

I posted a photo of Kastner's lock here:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=17535

cheers

greyman

[mh]

So - here's another one:



It's really small - I placed two coins next to it for your reference.

And as a bonus question (not too hard...): Why does it have 16 of these tiny little springs?

Have fun,
mh

[UWSDWF]

a DOM of some sort?

[UWSDWF]

yeah it's gotta be a DOM if it's a dimple lock that small and as for the "16 of these tiny little springs" it would most likely be for 16 sets of pins

[mh]

yeah it's gotta be a DOM if it's a dimple lock that small and as for the "16 of these tiny little springs" it would most likely be for 16 sets of pins

Wow, that was fast

But - nope
I also think DOM uses to put their dimple pins in other places..

And if you count all those tiny little pins, there will be 24.

Cheers,
mh

[cjames73]

is it a Zeiss Ikon??

[mh]

is it a Zeiss Ikon??

No, sorry
But is IS correctly placed in the EU locks section...

And while it's not a DOM lock either, a little bit of trivia about DOM that came to my mind:
They are named like the huge Cologne Cathedral which has the German name "Koelner Dom".
Other things are named like that as well, e.g. a certain beer: "Dom Koelsch" (where Koelsch is a type of beer sold mainly in the Cologne area).

Cheers,
mh

[greyman]

The key looks like DOM but the three or four rows of pins (4 in each?) remind me of Kaba. It really looks like a Japanese clone of DOM/Kaba etc like those made be Goal, Showa etc.

but mh, you say it's European ... hmmm, now I'm confused

[greyman]

Maybe it's a mini or micro Kaba (but I haven't seen this type before - I mean with the cast brass body).

[n2oah]

Another interesting thing about DOM is that it is owned by Black&Decker.

I have no clue what kind of lock that is, but , that is small. Make sure not to breath too hard while you're around it.

I can't think of an application for something that small. It is interesting because the whole lock is only the size of the plug. The only other tumbler lock like that (I know of) is the bi-lock. Surely, it is too small to be used in a removable plug application, because it's set screw would easily be compromised. Heck, I can't think of any application where this lock would be useful because it would be compromised too easily.

[mh]

As usual, greyman had it right again...
And I'm glad I found one he didn't see before

The shoulder part of the key might look like a DOM, but as far as I know, they put a profile on all their keyways; and they like to place the pins off-center and shape them appropriately.



It's a KABA MICRO lock,
the application being a very small keyed switch (by ddm hopt+schuler http://www.hopt-schuler.com/),
one you could find e.g. on a cash register, to switch between normal user and supervisor, etc.

Because of its size, the switch would blend in perfectly between other keys on a keyboard.

The switch housing is shown on the top right.
Of course, Noah is right, the security is not that great - it doesn't have a set screw, just some plastic notches.

I had it in use for a car alarm in the 1990s, at that time I placed a self-made 'escutcheon plate' in front of it


- Now - what's the reason for the 16 little springs?


Cheers,
mh

BTW, DOM was indeed owned by Black&Decker, but the German security industry is in a state of constant flux, and now they are owned by a French group called Securidev - http://www.securidev.com/uk/index.php
(Another sink where everything is floating to is probably Assa Abloy...)