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European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

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Postby raimundo » 6 Jan 2007 12:53

this key operated electric switch apparently is also used on espresso machines, I know of one such machine that has the tiny key tied to one leg with a string, since loss of the key would make the machine difficult for the guy who services it.
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Postby mh » 6 Jan 2007 15:56

So the 16-spring-question was too simple, so nobody would bother to answer? :twisted:


Well then, I have something more difficult for you:

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I know of course where I took the picture (it's EU again), but other than that, I know nothing about the lock,
but maybe you guys? :D

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Postby n2oah » 6 Jan 2007 16:16

Looks electronic since the pins appear to be fixed in place.

Ah, I didn't know B&D didn't own DOM anymore. I think I got that info from a Han Fey article.
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Postby mh » 7 Jan 2007 3:26

[quote="n2oah"]Looks electronic since the pins appear to be fixed in place.quote]

If I remember correctly, they felt just like pins from tubular locks, just bigger.
But yes, they might be electric contacts.

Any ideas?

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Postby f0ku5 » 7 Jan 2007 9:45

mh, are you sure this is a lock at all and not some kind of a fancy interface or something? Any hints on what it "locks" or where it is on?

There would be a covering though if it was anything eletrical, at least outdoors.
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Postby UWSDWF » 7 Jan 2007 9:48

could it be like a VANlock?
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Postby mh » 7 Jan 2007 9:58

Ok, here's the only other hint I have:

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It's on the deposit box of an Italian bank (on the island of Elba), located on the outside of the building; I believe local business people would bring their deposits there in the evening or at night.

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Postby mh » 7 Jan 2007 13:35

Wow, I just found two more German vintage locks in my collection - here is number 1:

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This style was quite popular in Germany in the 1980s - but what was it used for?

BTW, the picture shows the lock after it was picked, i.e. it's 'open' right now. It has 4 pin stacks in there, the 1st driver pin being even a mushroom or spool :)

The key is signed
"DIE GUTEN SCHLÖSSER"
"ABUS"
(meaning - the good ABUS locks);
that was their marketing slogan at that time...

Cheers,
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Postby UWSDWF » 7 Jan 2007 13:57

could you show a picture of the lock closed
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Postby zeke79 » 7 Jan 2007 13:59

Was it a utilities lock? Such as electric or gas company?
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Postby UWSDWF » 7 Jan 2007 14:00

thats what i'm thinking Zeke but i wanted to see it closed to figure out what it would lock to
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Postby mh » 7 Jan 2007 14:08

Here it's closed:

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Utilities is not bad...
But maybe you can guess exactly where it was used...
It was used by private persons, but also in business and government offices.
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Postby rohi » 7 Jan 2007 16:02

It was used to lock oldfasioned phones, where you could lock the dial.

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italian pushbutton lock

Postby greyman » 7 Jan 2007 16:31

mh, that is totally weird! I was about to post the same lock! I think it's by Juwell or something - they use them on the night safes in Italy. It's a mechanical pushbutton lock, but that's all I know (and maybe that's wrong!).

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Postby mh » 7 Jan 2007 17:01

rohi wrote:It was used to lock oldfasioned phones, where you could lock the dial.

Ronald


Yep, you got it!

Those high tech locks were used to block plastic telephone dials (the things you had to turn, and they would go back on their own and click... good old times)

You could lock it e.g. to the 2nd hole; that way people could receive calls (which was for free) and also dial 112 (the fire/medical emergency number), but not dial other numbers, e.g. expensive long distance calls.

Of course you could also tap the number on the hook switch - but that was the secret knowledge of hackers in those times...

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