GUESS THE LOCK GAME!!

[mh]

mh, that is totally weird! I was about to post the same lock! I think it's by Juwell or something - they use them on the night safes in Italy. It's a mechanical pushbutton lock, but that's all I know (and maybe that's wrong!).

cheers

greyman

Thanks!
It's not shown at http://www.juwel.it/ or http://www.sercas.it/ , but it also seemed to be somewhat older anyway.
Strange that there are no numbers marked on the buttons, though.
Initially I thought it might accept a large key, like an amulet, with some holes, so that some buttons are pushed and others not...
Next time I'm there, I will have to wait and watch

Cheers,
mh

[mh]

Ok, I thought you guys need longer for the telephone-dial-lock, and I could keep this one for later, but you are so fast

Well, here's my second old German lock
(and the relevant part of the key in the lower right corner):



Now, what's that?

(It would also fit into the Tiny Lock thread, obviously )

Cheers,
mh

[greyman]

mh, it's obviusly a miniature Bramah lock of some sort, perhaps for locking a show case. I've got no idea who made it though!

[mh]

mh, it's obviusly a miniature Bramah lock of some sort, perhaps for locking a show case. I've got no idea who made it though!

Yeah, that's it!
Although I believe they were mainly used to block access to mortice locks (mainly simple warded locks at that time) - they were inserted into the key hole to prevent the use of hooks etc.



The key is marked with
"HEIMWACHT" (obvioulsy the brand name, translates to Home-Guard or Home-Watch)
and:
"BRAMAH-SPERRER" where 'Sperrer' (m.) is something that blocks - the verb would be 'sperren' - to block.
So this was a Bramah-Blocker for keyholes

The number 841 is also stamped on the key, this could mean they made quite a few different versions...

It has 3 tumblers (evenly spaced - 120 degrees), and each could have a
number of lengths, corresponding to the cuts in the key.

It would be rather difficult to pick without specific tools (how to tension, a strong spring),
but quite easy to decode (or self-impression) with specific tools.

Cheers,
mh

[greyman]

mh, here is a picture of the pushbutton nightsafe lock. I also don't have any info on this, and I think I was mistaken before when I said it wa by Juwel. You can see the brand is Comforti. It looks somewhat like a Simplex pushbutton lock but with more buttons. I would guess that you enter the combo on the outer buttons then push the middle one.

From memory, this safe is in Florence somewhere.

Cheers

greyman

[greyman]

mh, the keyhole blocker is nice. I think you are right about the application - warded and lever locks with big keyholes were popular in 19th century Europe and I believe that there were a few blockers of this type around. Not surprised that Bramah also made one. I think the numbers on the key are just the number of the key off the production line, not a model number, but a lot number so to speak. It may also be an indirect code for the actual key cuts. For instance, if there were 10 depths of cut, then a 3 wafer Bramah would have 1000 possible combinations. 10 sounds a bit excessive for such a small lock, so maybe it is just a serial number.

I think Jeremy Bramah is lurking around here somewhere and maybe he can answer this more definitively

[mh]

Thanks for that hint, nice to have a look at their products, and their collection:
http://www.conforti.it/clavis/collezioneclavis.html

[raimundo]

that safe has a square corner ding just to one oclock from the dot on the i in comforti, which brings up the question of why did they make a safe out of sheetrock?

[UWSDWF]

Thanks for that hint, nice to have a look at their products, and their collection:
http://www.conforti.it/clavis/collezioneclavis.html

interesting but my Itai sucks which makes that site very confusing

[rohi]

that safe has a square corner ding just to one oclock from the dot on the i in comforti, which brings up the question of why did they make a safe out of sheetrock?

Looks like aluminium to me, just a bash with some steel tool could make this dent.

Ronald

[UWSDWF]

Persons with advanced access not alowed to guess this one

[Mutzy]

Aarrgghh! I thought ross 700 when I saw that australian lock! , I wish I came across this thread earlier...

UWSDWF, is that an electronic lock of some sort? What part of the world is it from?

[UWSDWF]

yeah...

[mh]

yeah...

Maybe you could show the front of the plug...

[n2oah]

Looks like a videx.