Bypassing

by **Nicky the Greek** » 10 Jan 2007 1:23

What other way is there to bypass a combo lock besides shiming it??? And could somebody please give me some detailed instructions about rapping? Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
thanks for your time
nick

No i can't spell and yes im serious

by **Squelchtone** » 10 Jan 2007 1:35

Nicky the Greek wrote:What other way is there to bypass a combo lock besides shiming it??? And could somebody please give me some detailed instructions about rapping? Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
thanks for your time
nick

No i can't spell and yes im serious

rapping is an outdated term in which a locksmith would smash the lock onto the table while a bump key was inserted in order to open the lock. What old books have you been reading?

It's called bumping these days. As for asking more about bypassing other than simple shimming, read the forum rules, bypass techniques are best left for the Advanced Section. Please don't ask again.

Squelchtone

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by **Nicky the Greek** » 10 Jan 2007 1:47

Sorry didn't mean to break the rules. And i know what bumping is i've done it several times. But I was reading this book and it said that rapping was where you took a tension tool and used it instead of a bump key. I tried it and it wouldn't slide down in the lock it got stuck on the pins.

by **lunchb0x** » 10 Jan 2007 1:58

when i was shown how to rap it wasnt with a bump key, what it was doing was hitting the top of the cylinder while having turning pressure onthe plug

by **Schuyler** » 10 Jan 2007 4:29

Sounds like a really brutal variation of raking, or a comb attack (yeesh). Either way, doesn't seem like general forum fodder, or a healthy evening for your lock.

So, if you've shimmed and bumped, have you picked at all?

by **lunchb0x** » 10 Jan 2007 5:03

its not brutal, doesnt damage the lock and it can only be done when the cylinder is in your hand so it is only good if you dont have a key and you need to pull it apart
and yes i have picked 1 or 2 locks, i am qualified and have been doing it for 5 and a half years

by **Shrub** » 10 Jan 2007 8:13

It works on the cheaper padlocks rather quite well,

Tension wrench in, tension on, hit outside of lock in specific place and the same effect as bumping happens and the lock opens but as we all know things dont always work like that or are as easy as that but thats the thing anyway,

The place to hit is on top of the chambers or under the pins, some locks will open better from the top and others from the bottom but as long as the strike is inline with the stacks your not far off,

As bumming is so wide spread i dont see any point keeping this to the advanced section as they are both the same thing as good as except the rapping thing is a pain to get right and hardly works so its no biggy,

by **Mutzy** » 10 Jan 2007 8:36

In australia, as lunchb0x said, rapping is used with the lock in your hand.

What you do is put pressure on the back of the core (not the housing) and 'rap' the top of the lock with something like/similar to a hammer handle. The strikes bounce the mins up and down, eventually all meeting up with the shear line. When this happens, the plug moves out of the housing a bit (from the pressure on the back), allowing you to turn the cylinder and rekey it. This is usually for locks where you don't have a working key to pull the lock apart.

If the other locksmiths here use this technique, and/or call it something else, let me know, i'm curious of other lockies' techniques, national or international.

by **Schuyler** » 10 Jan 2007 12:10

lunchb0x wrote:its not brutal, doesnt damage the lock and it can only be done when the cylinder is in your hand so it is only good if you dont have a key and you need to pull it apart
and yes i have picked 1 or 2 locks, i am qualified and have been doing it for 5 and a half years

not you, man, I know you around here, I was directing that question to the OP Hope I didn't offend you.

by **Nicky the Greek** » 10 Jan 2007 20:20

Ha, cool thanks for the info. That's cool i'll have to try that. Has anyone heard of doing it with a tension wrench in the lock where the key goes while tension is put on it by turning the wrench. Do you know what i mean or am i babling on like an moron.

by **lunchb0x** » 11 Jan 2007 3:57

not you, man, I know you around here, I was directing that question to the OP Hope I didn't offend you.[/quote]

thats fine, my miss understanding

by **Shrub** » 11 Jan 2007 8:59

Maybe my posts have become invisable, i know im often ignored even when right and its somthign ive got used to so dont worry, still it saves me bothering again to reply in the future i suppose,

by **Schuyler** » 11 Jan 2007 11:54

Shrub wrote:Maybe my posts have become invisable, i know im often ignored even when right and its somthign ive got used to so dont worry, still it saves me bothering again to reply in the future i suppose,

! Shrub, man, if you stop replying, this forum is going to be pretty lackluster. That would suck.

by **raimundo** » 11 Jan 2007 13:18

apparently in oz, the rapping is a benchwork technique for opening cylinders, It has been know here as well, usually for opening padlocks, but no one talks about it because its a skill that not everyone is good at, even if they know the theory well, and its well, crude. not useful when those mortise locks are mounted and locked and you are on the outside.
general practice for dissasembling a cylinder here involves use of a shim and key blank or shim and pick, with the shim coming in from the back of the cylinder and the pick or the slanted tip of the key blank raises and lowers the pin til the shim finds the shear.

by **Nicky the Greek** » 11 Jan 2007 18:45

sorry shrub :cry:

Your posts are not invisible or anything like that. I've read some of the advice you have given to other members and it was great. I don't know why i didn't see it. In the future i will look for your replys first how does that sound??? :lol:

Sorry for being blind :shock:

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