Help with my ilco Unican 025 key machine

[jimmysmith]

Does any one know a good place to buy some cutting wheels? looking for the best deal of course,.. I seen a online catalog, at the time i didnt know what size i need or anythig like that but i did notice that cutting whels were about $70.00 somthing bucks! is that reasonable? or should i keep checking around..

I really hate to buy online. its always a hassle for me. Do you guys think there are any local stores that may carry a wheel of this sort?

Are these style of cutting wheels only found in key machines? no other use?


Thanks for all the great information.




I miss my x-wife. but my aim is getting much better!

[zeke79]

You will have to order online.

[WOT]

Anyone here have the ilco 045 or the 025 key machine? Do you catch angling too and are these two models equally bad?

[zeke79]

I have the 040 and do not have the problem. I can cut a key and post a pic if you like.

[zeke79]

It is really hard to see with just your eye, but zoomed in like I am here it is apparent that there is some there which I expected simply becuase of the design of the machine.

You can however make that look more severe than it is by simply changing the angle of your camera. This is the same penny shot from more of an angle.

[WOT]

do you have a pic of your ilco 025 machine? I have a old ilco key dub machine and i am trying to find out more about it. It sounds like i might mave a 025 machine but not sure, I will try to post pics of mine soon.

zeke79, the angling is bad enough that I have to go back with a file and even it out to get them Best keys to even work smoothly.

[WOT]

To illustrate, this is what happens. The bottom mills out deeper than top.





A penny is flat and does not tilt around like a weird shaped blank, so it's not just blank tilting causing angled cut. Zeke79, do you know anything about the 025? Is it a decent machine?

I think the important thing to know is that defacing currency is against the law

I think the important thing to know is that being illegal in YOUR country doesn't make it internationally illegal. Here, it is quite common to see souvenir machine to shape a penny into an oval thing and it is perfectly legal. In YOUR country, there's usually a machine that you put in a loonie into it and spit out the loonie + a US penny, which the machine will shape into the oval thing.

The machine says "use only US penny".

[zeke79]

WOT,

I have never duped best on my machine. Primus is the best I have done tolerance wise along with some sargents. The keys come out working butter smooth on either.

I done the pic so you could see the degree of angle I get. All machines designed this way will angle to a point. You need a straight in feed machine to eliminate this such as a framon, ITL, etc. Or use a punch machine to solve the problem. All duplicators that I am aware of will copy with a slight angle.

[WOT]

WOT,

I have never duped best on my machine. Primus is the best I have done tolerance wise along with some sargents. The keys come out working butter smooth on either.

I done the pic so you could see the degree of angle I get. All machines designed this way will angle to a point. You need a straight in feed machine to eliminate this such as a framon, ITL, etc. Or use a punch machine to solve the problem. All duplicators that I am aware of will copy with a slight angle.

Can you post a picture of your 040?

[UWSDWF]

To illustrate, this is what happens. The bottom mills out deeper than top.





A penny is flat and does not tilt around like a weird shaped blank, so it's not just blank tilting causing angled cut. Zeke79, do you know anything about the 025? Is it a decent machine?

I think the important thing to know is that defacing currency is against the law

I think the important thing to know is that being illegal in YOUR country doesn't make it internationally illegal. Here, it is quite common to see souvenir machine to shape a penny into an oval thing and it is perfectly legal. In YOUR country, there's usually a machine that you put in a loonie into it and spit out the loonie + a US penny, which the machine will shape into the oval thing.

The machine says "use only US penny".

United States Code
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 17 - COINS AND CURRENCY
§ 333. Mutilation of national bank obligations

“Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or
unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill,
draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking
association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System,
with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence
of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”
FINDLAW
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/ ... n_333.html
or
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode ... -000-.html

Prior to 1994 when this law was amended, the statute read “fined not
more than $100”. This was changed in 1994 to read “shall be fined
under this title” which effectively gives the court the authority to
impose a fine at its discretion. Of course the imprisonment terms
mentioned in the statute speaks for itself.

NOTES TITLE 18 SECTION 333
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode ... notes.html

This next statute concerns the defacing of currently circulated coins,
either foreign or domestic:

United States Code
TITLE 18
PART I
CHAPTER 17
§ 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins

http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode ... -000-.html

“Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes,
falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of
the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current
or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States;
or whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or
sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into
the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered,
defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or
lightened— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
five years, or both.”

Like the statute I previously discussed, prior to 1994 when this law
was amended, the statute read “fined not more than $2,000”. This was
changed in 1994 to read “shall be fined under this title” which
effectively gives the court the authority to impose a fine at its
discretion. Of course the imprisonment terms mentioned in the statute
speaks for itself.

NOTES TITLE 18 SECTION 331
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode ... notes.html

[UWSDWF]

do people get away with it? yes ... the question though is it legal? NO

I was just poking fun earlier... but if you want to argue symantics and law then you better bring your A-game homes. Best to research before you stutter.

[WOT]

do people get away with it? yes ... the question though is it legal? NO

I was just poking fun earlier... but if you want to argue symantics and law then you better bring your A-game homes. Best to research before you stutter.

It looks like the keyword is "whoever fraudulently". You're saying the machine that takes four quarters to crush a penny at Disney Land is unlawful, for which they even pay amusement device tax and displays such tag just like video arcade machine?

[WOT]

I forgot to add this link, wouldn't let me go back and edit:

http://www.squished.com/featuresnew/features_101.html

"Wait a minute, is squishing currency really legal?

Absolutely! It's all in your intentions. The United States law Section 331, Title 18 prohibits altering coins or other forms of money for fraudulent uses. On the other hand, it does permit the altering of coins, such as pennies, without such intentions. For example, when squishing coins, you make a copper souvenir of your visit to a far away place. But although your squished treasures may have infinite value to you, they are no longer currency. So, squish away, unless you intend to stuff your local vending machine with 'em the next time your soda fund gets low."

[UWSDWF]

I stand corrected, you brought it good job.....

but please don't tell me you collect elongated coins cause that just weird

[UWSDWF]

this now has me thinking... since it is legal as long as isn't being used fraudulently, then why not buy like $1000 in pennies ... melt them down into copper ingets and sell them ( as a pennie is worth more in copper then it is as tender)?