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by zeke79 » 21 Jan 2007 22:24
I see your point too. The primus works well in this area and several big facilities are on a dedicated primus/schlage system here.
My personal opinion is that it is easier to sell someone into a high security system when it will integrate with existing hardware allowing upgrades to be done in stages. If the whole system is not upgraded it is still operable with a single masterkey.
Ps. Last time I heard economically viable I believe was on the movie "falling down". 
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by fsdhy » 21 Jan 2007 22:39
zeke79 wrote:I see your point too. The primus works well in this area and several big facilities are on a dedicated primus/schlage system here. My personal opinion is that it is easier to sell someone into a high security system when it will integrate with existing hardware allowing upgrades to be done in stages. If the whole system is not upgraded it is still operable with a single masterkey. Ps. Last time I heard economically viable I believe was on the movie "falling down". 
Never seen it. Haha. Sometimes I use unnecessarily big words thanks to my parents insisting that I get an education. That's four years and 40,000$ down the tubes. If I would have known I would end up a lowly key monkey, I coulda saved myself some dough
Personally though, I could never sell someone Schlage Primus as a "high security system". I remember quickly running through the Ingersoll Rand "New Standard of Key Control" flyer that Jovan sent me with an order one time. I remember seeing "UL 437 versions available"... The fact that UL listing is an "option" made me laugh.
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by fsdhy » 21 Jan 2007 22:40
zeke79 wrote:I see your point too. The primus works well in this area and several big facilities are on a dedicated primus/schlage system here. My personal opinion is that it is easier to sell someone into a high security system when it will integrate with existing hardware allowing upgrades to be done in stages. If the whole system is not upgraded it is still operable with a single masterkey. Ps. Last time I heard economically viable I believe was on the movie "falling down". 
Wait a minute, thats the one where micheal douglas goes on a killing spree right? The last scene is a showdown on some pier.... I remember that now. Good movie. Hahahaha.
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by zeke79 » 21 Jan 2007 23:02
You are right, the UL version has drill protection and hardened top pins. I agree that anything outside of key control is not primus's bag. It's not the cylinders that worry me, it's alot of the hardware it is integrated into. Schlage does not offer a truly high security deadbolt hardware option that I am aware of. In this department, ASSA, Medeco, multilock, abloy, and many others beat the primus hands down. I cannot argue with you there  .
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by fsdhy » 22 Jan 2007 1:16
zeke79 wrote:You are right, the UL version has drill protection and hardened top pins. I agree that anything outside of key control is not primus's bag. It's not the cylinders that worry me, it's alot of the hardware it is integrated into. Schlage does not offer a truly high security deadbolt hardware option that I am aware of. In this department, ASSA, Medeco, multilock, abloy, and many others beat the primus hands down. I cannot argue with you there  .
Then we have come to an agreement! Both have their uses.
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by ldnlksmth » 22 Jan 2007 23:36
The advantage I can see would be a long-term upgrade. I did security at a place with 3000+ doors, and as luck would have it, all of them used schlage C keyway. If they were to upgrade to Medeco, they would have to change over the whole facility at once. If they went with Primus, they could do a number per year until the whole thing was done, and not duplicate keys.
I'm a Medeco fan, always have been, and will recommend it anywhere I can.
On the compatibility/interation note, Abloy would be the best, since one key will work any size cylinder, including file cabinet locks, switch locks and door locks. that would truly be a great great great grandmaster system in most offices I've seen.
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