How to get into a 5 lever B/S

[d1kyx]

Ok every one lest see how good you all are!!!!!

am a locksmith in the uk, and i find most lock can be passed 2 to 3 mins exept for............
5 lever B/S iv tryed the curton pick and nothing. iv tryed drilling and am sh*t at that.
I all ways end up making a right mess and going frow 3-4 drill bits.
So its time for help !!!!
1. How do you do it!!!
2. whats the best way you find to get in
3. which ones can you do. and how fast can you do it.
I hope you can help.

[parapilot]

Its just practice using the Curtain Pick. Which tool do you use? Some of the BS locks you can buy a decoder to open the lock but these are quite expensive.

You can always have a look at the back door if the keys / spare are inside!!

Read Shrubs curtain lock thread sticky'd in european locks section.

Regards
J

[horsefeathers]

So you cant pick a lock with a curtain, nor can you drill it

And you trade as a locksmith. Or at least call yourself a locksmith!



Where did you do your training, or did you get one of the 'teach yourself' books off ebay?

Sorry to be blunt but for a first post by 'a locksmith' you seem incredibly under prepared. Youve tried a curtain pick? Do you own one? If so then practise and keep practising. If you need drill points then get a load of locks (even scrap ones) and make a template up of each of them where their stumps are. Buy hardpoint drills. In short, do your research first, then practise at home before launching yourself on unsuspecting customers.

regards

[JackNco]

where abouts are u based? i assume it UK if its a lever lock but what city?

[d1kyx]

Iv been a locksmith for 20 years, and a member of the MLI for 15years.

my company is a member of the MLI for the past 15 years.
and years i do have a curtain pick and yes i can drill and get in to every lock i have ever come across from your euro cylinder to your grade 5 safes. so dont give me this sh*t "" call your self a locksmith"
I would like to get in to a 5 leave B/S with in 5 mins . with drilling its ok knowing how to do it and been able to do it but it still take time . i was hopeing to find out if you know a better way in as more hands and all that.
have you come a cross drill bits which are better than over

i few years ago me and anthor locksmith develpoed a drill template kit which works ok on most locks but it still tacks time, with the curtain pick i find that i bend the wire even if i dont put much tenshon on.
impressing is good i find but still takes time.
So to all you "" LOCKSMITHS" thats you horsefeathers. what the best way you find to get in a 5 leaver B/S and what kit have you find the best for YOU.
and please dont give me sh*t about locksmithing agine iv got the tshirt.

[JackNco]

thats a friendly response...

to be fair u did come on ask about opening a lock and then admit you cant drill it.
"iv tryed drilling and am sh*t at that. "

People are defensive because we get loads of people asking how to open a certain lock on there first post and are generally not answered because for all we know it could be anyone breaking in to a house.

all the best

[parapilot]

You got the t shirt, But in 20 years never picked a BS lever lock...Humm. Locksmiths on this site are real, and pick locks, they dont drill unless its absolutely needed. You should be able to open the most common locks, and if you come across the harder types like the Chubb 110 often, have a pin and cam for them. Drilling every BS lock and going through loads of drill bits is hardly 'professional' and could be done by a 16 year old apprentice, not a locksmith with 20 years experience.......

If you must drill get yourself a 2mm drill kit. Least you wont trash the door as much.

[bonez]

basically d1k your a t*t!

you ask three stupid questions and then tell this forum
your a locksmith of 20 years,and slate members who answered
your post!!

and your a member of the MLI

get some proper lockie tools and some nde training.

[d1kyx]

Yes it seems that there are a lot a tits out there and yes you mite think i am one, but i think i am not the only one.
I thort this site would be good to swap things , tips etc. but i was wrong. it's just full of want-a-bes
people how would like to think thay can do it, but when it comes to it are full of sh*t.
get some proper lockie tools and some nde training!!!!!
Tit!!!
training boy iv trained more locksmiths that i can remember, and if im not doing it wright well, having a team of 20 and one of the bigest locksmith companyies in london and the uk . Well i must be Sh*t. I bet your a 12 year old with a new toy i can pike a lock.......
or are you just a Tit with a white van with locksmith on the side in black paint. and as for Chubb 110 come on you can do better that that, the old chubb 3k207 was harder than that and yes i know it has 7 leavers.
Now can we all just start agine.


Q1 what is the best way You find to get in to a 5 leave B/S

[lockey1963]

im confused,

who are MLI ?

I know of MLA , BLI and ICL , but who the hell is MLI ?

In fairness you state you are shit at drilling and often need more than 1 hole, this should never be the case, even when faulty ?

Myself i rarely stand on the door longer than 5 to 10 mins and thats picking BS3621 locks and not drilling them, obviously you will always come across a real git occasionally that takes longer.

with a curtain pick, id expect a properly trained novice to defeat most ERA , Legge , Union , Yale and chubb 3U locks in between 1 to 5 minutes, with decoders a suitably trained and practiced locksmith should rarely be on the door longer than 5 minutes with the exception of the chubb 110 tool.

so if a skilled lock opener you should find all openings are NDE and under 10 mins with a curtain pick or the correct decoder, if not then its training and practice thats needed, no matter how skilled you think you are or how many years you have called yourself a locksmith for, if you cannot use the tools properly then you need training and practice , full stop.

If you say it takes you longer often than 5 to 10 minutes to drill a lock open with just 1 small hole, then id check your template or id skills and redo, or maybe drill a little more carefully, again training and practice.

how can any of us take you seriously, when in one breadth you say you cant use a drill or curtain pick, then in the next breath you say you are the muts nuts having trained loads of locksmiths ? you contradict yourself, so what are people to think of you?

so to start again, why not state what you are and what you do, what you struggle with and why, maybe then members will be able to help you, and maybe you will then get the answers you seek, its a friendly site, so maybe start again more realisticly this time.

[JackNco]

Its usually best not to insult someone in one badly constructed sentence before asking to start again in the next...

But thats my swipe out the way. and yep as far as im concerned lets disregard all above comments and start again.

Are you asking for an answer as how to open the lock, testing the people here (I for one would fail but most of the members here are very talented) or just interested in what techniques people prefer and what works best for them.

[horsefeathers]

Whats the MLI???? A google search comes up with nothing relevant to a body/organisation to do with locksmiths.

Members Lacking Intelligence?
Master Locksmith Imitators?
Most Loathed Individuals?

God knows how many people you've 'trained' who are running around out there unable to drill properly, let alone pick BS locks using one of the most essential tools a locksmith has in his toolkit.

Last week I had to pick open a row of seven newly built homes with ERA pro-fits fitted because estate agent had lost all keys, then re-fitted with new lever packs + keys. No drilling, all picked using curtain pick. Not bragging as pro-fits are not especially difficult, but I suppose all seven doors would have ended up with more holes in than swiss cheese if you had done the work! Or would you have declined to take the job on, given that your 20 years of experience have left you without the basic skills????

As a 'locksmith' of 20 years you should know exactly what tools are required for what job and of you havent got them, or got the skill to use what you do have then you are in the wrong trade, or simply a time-waster. So dont come on here asking stupid questions that a Newbie would be expected to ask. You state your experience so forcefully, yet is it any wonder that I dont believe you.

regards

[dlkyx]

d1kyx, IF you are an expert locksmith, how come do you use up so many drill bits? Why don't you get one of your 20 lackies to re-sharpen them for you? Or can they not cope with items in the physical world outside your head?

So go on, who are the MLI, and name a few of the lockies you have trained over your 20 year rain (as in raining on the day of your customer) as a driller killer (as in one who sinmply trashes the door).

Oh, and this board is mostly restricted to English, so if you could try a little harder, that would be nice.

You are a +5 Troll. Post something useful, or not at all.

[NKT]

What tips do you wish to share?

Here's one for free: You can drill a lock far better with the bit spinning the right way. We don't talk about destructive entry.

Buy a practise lock or two and try picking them. You can pick them up cheap from locksmiths and joiners, and they are often pre-drilled, so you won't need to worry.

[horsefeathers]

d1kyx, IF you are an expert locksmith, how come do you use up so many drill bits? Why don't you get one of your 20 lackies to re-sharpen them for you? Or can they not cope with items in the physical world outside your head?

So go on, who are the MLI, and name a few of the lockies you have trained over your 20 year rain (as in raining on the day of your customer) as a driller killer (as in one who sinmply trashes the door).

Oh, and this board is mostly restricted to English, so if you could try a little harder, that would be nice.

You are a +5 Troll. Post something useful, or not at all.

dlkyx + d1kyx ????? Two new posters with similar names???

something fishy??