Master Combination Lock Trick

by **karl** » 2 May 2004 18:29

the brand is silca,i dont have a camera so i cant show you a pic.but just look at the key straight down the frontand see if the top bit would fit the lock.its not that hard to find one that will fit,i only have about 5 different blank keys and after grinding just one down,i had the shape.if i could make one from just 5 blanks you definetly can if your a prof. locksmith.

by **karl** » 2 May 2004 20:08

ladies and gentlemen,i did it!i made a master key for master combination locks v56.its not the best looking key and you have to wiggle it around a little bit before the lock can turn,but it works!arnt i brilliant?

by **Chucklz** » 2 May 2004 21:13

Why not give us the Silca number off the key, its at least a starting point.

by **CitySpider** » 2 May 2004 23:41

karl wrote:the brand is silca,i dont have a camera so i cant show you a pic.but just look at the key straight down the frontand see if the top bit would fit the lock.its not that hard to find one that will fit,i only have about 5 different blank keys and after grinding just one down,i had the shape.if i could make one from just 5 blanks you definetly can if your a prof. locksmith.

The thing is, though, I'm not a professional locksmith. I'm going to have to order these blanks off a web site, and if there's an alternative to ordering all of them to find the one that fits...

by **Pheniox** » 2 May 2004 23:53

why not go to walmart and buy them?

by **karl** » 3 May 2004 11:35

ok,the key says "silca"and on the back it says, "ce"with a "1" under it"but i have a few other blanks that are different types and they look like they would work too.dont buy them over the internet,just ask a locksmith for oneand if he says no,then just buy one somewhere else.thats how i got most of my keys.seriously though,its not a specific type key,just a key thats about the same,then grind away the bits you dont need.

Edited by Chucklz: NO Mentions of illegal activity please.

by **CitySpider** » 3 May 2004 13:59

All right. That's a little bit more helpful. I'm not going to lie to a locksmith (besides, I don't know that I could pass for being in school), but if I have to do some grinding anyway, I suppose it doesn't matter too much what I start from.

Phen,

You can buy key blanks at Walmart? Really?

Spider

by **scientist** » 3 May 2004 20:12

Edited by Chucklz: NO Mentions of illegal activity please.

In some states it is even illegal to buy/make keyblanks if you are not an authorized locksmith...not sure if thats what you are refering to or not...

-sCi

by **Chucklz** » 3 May 2004 20:44

My edit did not refer to the legality of owning blanks.

I would be interested in knowing more about states in which the law prohibits me from having blanks. Seems to me to be awfully opressive.

by **toomush2drink** » 4 May 2004 5:03

If i remember correctly the silca ce 1 blank is for century locks, correct me if i am wrong please. :lol:

by **technik** » 6 May 2004 6:16

chucklz, he prbly means for high security locks like abloy, just got a bit of mixed up information

by **Exodus5000** » 7 May 2004 19:31

Chucklz wrote:My edit did not refer to the legality of owning blanks.

I would be interested in knowing more about states in which the law prohibits me from having blanks. Seems to me to be awfully opressive.

I live in the states - wisconsin specificaly as my info states. My local Wal-Mart sells key blanks, but only for very common house and car locks. You can have an employee cut if for you, or just buy the blank. My local Ace hardware store sells every key blank i can think of with the acception of "best" and a few other upper class lock brands. Hope this helps.

by **Chucklz** » 7 May 2004 22:35

I own a few blanks, Best included. Its good to have a place that will sell you blanks. For some reason, most key cutters don't see what use you would ever have for a blank.

by **Exodus5000** » 12 May 2004 18:39

I was messsing around with my master combo's and i figured out a way to discern the correct 1st number using the trick i originally posted. I'll re-type the method for clarity.

1.) The Master Combo Must be open.
2.) while having the shackle lightly resting in the correspinding hole, turn the dial in a clockwise motion adjusting how far in the shackle is inside of the hole until it starts to stick on some numbers. There should be a good deal of resistance on some numbers, keep going until it comes to a stop.
3.) you know it is the correct number if: when you lift on the shackle while still maintaining clockwise pressure on the dial, and the dial is forced to rotate counter-clockwise.

Kind of a pointless observation. However i've used this trick to discern the first number in my combo lock that i had forgotten my combo to.

by **Exodus5000** » 12 May 2004 18:53

I additionally have another question concerning my master combo that seems too trivial to make a new thread for, so i'll just tack it on to this one.

My master combo has a keyway in the back that I practice single pin picking on. My understanding is that there are 4 pins in a master combo. The picture of the pins in my minds eye often gets very cloudy. I would set the pin that gives off the most resistance, one would think with 4 pins i would only need to do this 4 times, once per pin. But i find that as i'm picking often pins i've already set seem to regain their resistance and need to be set once more. I do not think this is due to releasing torque with my wrench. Last count when i was able to pick the lock perfectly without any errors, i had set pins a total of 8 times. Any ideas as to why the discrepency? It seems to occur for me only in master combo locks.

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