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Key cutting wheel shape

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Key cutting wheel shape

Postby WOT » 27 Jan 2007 2:35

Why is it some machines have a dual bevel wheel with a cutting surface profile that looks like:

\/ while some have a single bevel edge like |/ (like my Ilco Unican) ?

I find the lack of bevel on both sides makes code cutting by depth keys way more complicated.
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Postby keysman » 27 Jan 2007 3:51

You pretty much answered your own question.. a code cutting blade is for cuttting the valleys of the key correcty .. a duplicating blade is for duplicating a key.. some keys have a " flat" or square 1st cut, a flat faced cutter will have no problem duplicating either.
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Postby horsefeathers » 27 Jan 2007 4:57

WOT - took me ages but i have just realised what your sig is supposed to be..... :lol:

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Postby mrdan » 27 Jan 2007 13:05

horsefeathers wrote:WOT - took me ages but i have just realised what your sig is supposed to be..... :lol:

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Oh yah... I see it now. Geez! :lol:
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Postby WOT » 27 Jan 2007 15:07

mrdan wrote:
horsefeathers wrote:WOT - took me ages but i have just realised what your sig is supposed to be..... :lol:

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Oh yah... I see it now. Geez! :lol:


A pair of #4 and a #12 spindle Best A3 pins.
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Postby digital_blue » 27 Jan 2007 15:37

WOT wrote:A pair of #4 and a #12 spindle Best A3 pins.


Now that's what *I* thought it was. What are you guys talking about? :P

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Re: Key cutting wheel shape

Postby Raccoon » 27 Jan 2007 15:53

WOT wrote:Why is it some machines have a dual bevel wheel with a cutting surface profile that looks like:

\/ while some have a single bevel edge like |/ (like my Ilco Unican) ?

I find the lack of bevel on both sides makes code cutting by depth keys way more complicated.


This depends mainly on the cutter. Some cutters are intended to cut by progressing from side to side while at the intended depth. This is mainly seen on duplicators (but you can still code cut with depth/space keys). Other cutters are intended to cut by "stamping" down each cut at a stationary position; both fore and aft slopes are shaped by the wheel alone, and not a template key.
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Postby Raccoon » 27 Jan 2007 15:55

PS. I haven't seen a duplicator wheel with a cutting edge on both sides. But if such wheels exist, I expect that they cost more. So to answer the question of Why? To save money.
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Postby maxxed » 27 Jan 2007 20:49

A flat side was necessary because many of the early wafer locks had a very short distance from the shoulder to the first cut. Several of these keys did have cut straight down and our Borkey key machine could not make this first cut because it had a bevel on the back side.
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Postby Raccoon » 27 Jan 2007 21:53

maxxed wrote:A flat side was necessary because many of the early wafer locks had a very short distance from the shoulder to the first cut. Several of these keys did have cut straight down and our Borkey key machine could not make this first cut because it had a bevel on the back side.


nice bit of information. thanks!
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