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5 pin abus pin tumbler

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5 pin abus pin tumbler

Postby lee.cook » 30 Jan 2007 17:53

Hello,

I was reading the LSI guide to repinning a 5 pin cylinder, so I taken apart my abus, took 5 pins out and put 2 back in, for practice, however I have a question.

There is a total of 3 springs, 5 bottom pins and 5 top pins, how are the springs in shell set? what order basicly

1-2-3-4-5 (number represents top pin)
S---S---S (S means spring)

I didnt use a plug follower, so all my pins went everywhere but I have all the parts LOL..please help
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Postby cjames73 » 30 Jan 2007 18:21

if you only have 3 springs you have lost 2 when taking out the plug. :shock:
each pin stack will have a spring above the pins.
this is the reason for using a plug follower....
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Postby lee.cook » 30 Jan 2007 19:09

okay thanks cjames I feel like an idiot, managed to find the other 2 springs..

another question, some off my bottom pins are silver and others are brass coloured, the brass ones are pointy and the silver ones aint..

any clue?
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Postby pauly003 » 30 Jan 2007 19:16

They could be from 2 different locks, cause different bottoms on pins don't make them harder to pick. (unless they are mushroom, spool, etc.)
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Postby lee.cook » 30 Jan 2007 20:13

Hey,

No the pins are from the 1 Abus 5 pin tumbler, as I was the first person to disassemble it and it couldnt off come from any other lock..

I could take some pictures hmmm?
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Postby cjames73 » 30 Jan 2007 21:46

the only steel pins you should have are anti drill pins,usually from the front pin stack. the non pointed will be top pins.
hope this helps
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anti drill pins

Postby mercurial » 1 Feb 2007 6:56

cjames73 wrote:the only steel pins you should have are anti drill pins,usually from the front pin stack. the non pointed will be top pins.
hope this helps


In a lock which contains anti-drill pins, it is true that often the first pin chamber contains drill-resistant steel pins.

However, in higher security locks, there are usually also anti-drill pins/inserts at the rear of the cylinder. There is a very good reason for this - to successfully drill such pins, the drill must be positioned and kept 'true' far more precisely. It is a lot easier to accurately drill hardened pins when they are closer to the front of the cylinder.

Unless the drilling operation is quite precise, anti-drill pins at the back of the cylinder can prove to be very effective drill bit breakers.

The only lock I've ever had to drill was a commercial lockwood cylinder (no security pins, either :oops:) that I just couldn't pick, on a friend's door - so I have no actual experience drilling through hardenedl pins.

However, the information above os from here at LP101 and elsewhere.

Whilst not relevant to the Abus cylinder in question, often the drill protection in locks is mainly accomplished by separate anti-drill inserts in the cylinder, combined with hardened steel pins in some chambers.

As mentioned, the non 'pointy' pins are top pins. Some pictures would certainly help people to provide further advice.

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Postby cjames73 » 1 Feb 2007 13:52

cheers mark, i never knew about the anti-drill rear pins in high security locks.
the only lock i have disassembled was a abus rim cylinder, same as lee.cook which had them in the first stack only.
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