Picking a "BEST" lock

[jif10022]

Well I told him i could open any lock in the house and he chose that one. He is prety smart i'm sure he chose it for a reason. He knows i can pick the back door and the door to the basement so he was trying to challenge me. If i must open the lock and i were to use the bump ket approch how do i cut the key so as not to mess the lock up. Also i am not that worried about messing up the lock if the odds are less then 1 in 10 that it gets messed up.
So would it be ok if i fileddown the tip of the bum key?

thanks

[Iceberg_Slim]

file 10mm off of the tip and shoulder , make sure the deepest cust are to the first set of wards on the key.

[jif10022]

will do. But know i need to go to home depot for a key. thanks for all the help.

[LockNewbie21]

But know i need to go to home depot for a key

SOrry mate, homedepot will not stock these keys.

You will have to go to a lockie and odds are he will not under any cercumstances supply a key.

Now don;t take this a noob basher post. I will take your word that your father owns the lock and accepts the responcibiblty of its malfunction should it happen.

You will have to order them off ebay. you can purchase the tensioner at lockpicks.com there pricey, but there is a toturial around sumwhere with correct dimensions.

But with all due respect to you and your father, I would suggest buying a best lock off ebay, mounting it to a board, this way you can practice, and also have the keys as a guide.

But as said i was not bashing you or being negitive, its just with master systems (Best being a major supplier) the keys are only sold at lockie shops and there very hesitant if not against selling blanks.


Hope this offered some help. Best of luck mate.

[jif10022]

I guess i could just ask him to get another of the same lock i could pay him back for it once i opened it and won our bet.
thanks for the help

[Stray]

I may have just misunderstood but why would you install a rather expensive lock on a closet door that isn't in use?

[fsdhy]

I may have just misunderstood but why would you install a rather expensive lock on a closet door that isn't in use?

People come in to my shop every week with best locks, proprietary medeco keyways, hardened abloy's, etc that are used in various places inside their residence. Its common because when the large organizations that these locks are meant for shut down or move, the maintenace guys usually take home a box full of locks. Last week I had a guy come in with about 25 IR lever handles with a biaxial medeco keyway from some outfit out of Ottawa. He wanted to sell them to me....

[dab]

I've only been able to bump a 3 pin best lock. I used a rubber band and glue. The lock face cut away at the rubber band untill the spacing was right. I don't know the handing of the door, or if its a lever or deadbolt, but I would pick to the right regardless if it's lock or unlock. That way the odds are better that either the control line/ shear line will turn. Then use a plug spinner to turnn back if needed.

[raimundo]

as someone said, the best lock is tip indexed and pounding on that index will make the real key difficult to use, (pull it back a bit as you try it) so for bumping this lock you need to look at the toool site or other european sites and read about using hot glue to make a stop outside the plug that will prevent damage. You could pick this lock with a bogota but again its all about light tension and good luck. you can also pick this lock with your ordinary tools, but it would help if you sand them, someone said that if you get the control function open you could remove the cylinder and turn it with a screwdriver, but they failed to caution you that you must not put pressure on the near ends of those pins you will see in there, put the screwdriver carefully all the way in and turn it carefully, do not force it, if you spread those pins, putting the cylinder back in will become a problem. those pins are the pickupthat the plug turns when the lock opens and you have to have them orientated exactly like they are when you first see them to put the plug back in. its not hard but don't do any brute force and stupidity kind of thing, stop, look, think, repeat. then turn the lock. Most likely, you would not pick open the core removal function anyway, you can pick these locks, they are difficult, not impossible, and sand the picks, scratching the insides of the keyway and the pins is not helpful.

[grim]

http://deviating.net/lockpicking/15.07-custom_picking.html
you will need the special wrench shown on this link. you have 2 shear lines instead of 1 and all pins must line up on either line but not both
ask your dad if you can prove your skills on a easier lock

you do NOT need that "special wrench" to pick an IC lock. i popped the core of a sargent IC while using a regular tension wrench. granted, the tool you've mentioned DOES make the job easier and i will readily admit that i picked the core totally by accident. you do not NEED the toothed wrench to pick an IC.

(even a blind squirrel can find a nut)

[Eyes_Only]

I guess I can see now that I'm not the only one who's been stumped by the IC locks judging by the frustrated and angry tone of everyones post.

[raimundo]

grim is right, they will open with ordinary picking, and sometimes its the core change function that opens, so you have to remove the core to turn the pins carefully from as deep in the lock as you can put a flat blade, you don't want to spread those pins. and note where they are so putting the core back will be easier, perhaps mark the lockface with a temporary marker. the special tensor is so you can specifically address that changecore shearline, you don't really need it.

About a good deadbolt lock on a closet, that was the 'secure closet' Idea that schlage was teaching as long ago as the '70s, as a place to keep the shotgun away from the kids and secure things that would be passed up by a burglar who depends on a swift raid. Id like to see discovery channels John yegg rainy run into one of these, since closet doors do not open inward, his kick in method would not work.

[cjames73]

you do NOT need that "special wrench" to pick an IC lock. i popped the core of a sargent IC while using a regular tension wrench. granted, the tool you've mentioned DOES make the job easier and i will readily admit that i picked the core totally by accident. you do not NEED the toothed wrench to pick an IC.

well i stand corrected then
thanks grim.

About a good deadbolt lock on a closet, that was the 'secure closet' Idea that schlage was teaching as long ago as the '70s, as a place to keep the shotgun away from the kids.

jif10022, it all becomes clear why you need to get into that closet now

[WOT]

Rule #1:

You don't bump a BEST lock. The tip stop in the rear is quite fragile, so bumping attempt will bend out the stopper.

There are two or three shearlines, depending on if it's master keyed or not. If it's master keyed, there are two are constructive, one is destructive. If you bump it, you'd have to catch all 6 or 7 pins on "constructive" (either all on control or all on operating).

Realistically some will catch on control, some on operating and the lock would never open....

[11mike11]

i thought your dad wanted you to pick the lock with the picks he bought you to show him they weren't a waste of money, want using a bump key kinda defeat the purpose of the challenge . if he wants to just see you get it open then take out the drill and go to town