how to open up a lock and remove pins

[complience]

Ive been reading the newbie lock picking guides.. and they all say to open up a lock and remove all the pins apart from one to practice with..

but im looking at a spare yale cylinder ive got to practice with and i can see no obvious way to just take it apart and remove pins... im sure i could saw though it eventually.. but its not going back together after that.. so how should it be done?

[Isakill]

A yale isn't the best lock to start with. It's best to find a neighbor with a doorknob or deadbolt made by kwickset that they're throwing away or just go buy one.

If you choose a Kwickset KIK (key in Knob) I wrote up a guide for dissassembly. If it's a Deadbolt getting to the cylinder is much easier and my guide can still help you in re-pinning locks.

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=12909&highlight=

Enjoy

[Shrub]

If you are in the UK a Yale is perfect for starting on and i would not reccomend anything else, that said if you do struggle with them you could send off to the us for a kwikset but its realy not worth it,

If you want your question answering and all your next ones as well click on my www button for a guide on how to do all this and more, its the official one so your ok for viruses,

[complience]

thanks.. yup im in the UK.. so basicly no point in learning how to pick anything other than a yale.

Ive been successful with a bump key, from what i hear yales are particularly open to them

picking seems to a whole different ball game.. especially 6 pins.. and the first pin is always on the lowest setting.

thanks for the pdf.. taking it apart from the back.. thought about that.. but thought id only end up breaking it.. ill give it a go tho.

[bonez]

you'll be surprised that there is a lot more to pick
than yale in the uk

[complience]

okay thanks to your help ive taken it apart.. but now ive got more questions..

ive taken a picture of what ive got

link removed at author's request

the main thing i notice is i have 6 pins.. but 2 of the pins are different to the other 4.. they are sliver. Whats this? are they security pins of some kind?

I also notice in the cylinder there are 3 sliver pins also.. but they don't seem to do anything, whats that about?

i see im gonna have alot of fun putting this all back together.

[Shrub]

They are all hardened pins to thwart drilling attempts,

When you repin it leave out the brass coloured pins as they are spool pins which are security pins and will only hinder your learning at the begining,

[Shrub]

In-fact, pm me your address and ill send you a couple of normal top pins to put in when your back up to 6 pins, then you can start with the spools after that,

[cjames73]

looks like you bought the yale x5 cylinder.
quit a a tough lock, good job your using DBs guide.

[complience]

only put the 2 sliver pins back in?

I really dont understand how/what spooler pins are.. does this mean out of a 6 pin X5 yale lock.. only two pins are actually binding pins?

thanks for the generous offer of the pins.. i don't give my address out online, but am most appreciative of the offer.

[cjames73]

the pins stuck in the lock core are only there to stop drilling attempts on the lock.
the spool pins are the brass pins you took out that look like cotton spools. these are security pins and there to make the lock harder to pick.
shrub is a moderator on this site and can be trusted, he'll send you some pins that aren't spools and therefore making your lock easier to pick whilst learning.
the yale x5 is the lock you have there and is labeled as high security(due to the spools/anti drill pins).

[complience]

thanks.. im still really confused all this spool pin business..

I think i understand why a spool pin causes problems for picking.. because of the ridges in it.. putting it under torque will create funny results.. but then..

if spool pins are harder to pick than normal pins.. then why have a lock made up of just all spool pins?

[andreasm]

thanks.. im still really confused all this spool pin business..

I think i understand why a spool pin causes problems for picking.. because of the ridges in it.. putting it under torque will create funny results.. but then..

if spool pins are harder to pick than normal pins.. then why have a lock made up of just all spool pins?

Yeah, check http://deviating.net/lockpicking/02.03- ... nding.html for an animation on what happens.

Because security pins are more expensive than regular pins I guess. Some locks have all security pins. See this TrioVing for example: viewtopic.php?t=18664

[Shrub]

Andreasm has it nailed really so i cant add any more other than i can be trusted hence i suggested doing it via pm, i am also on the trusted sellers list if that eases your mind but im not bothered eitherway, one way gets you some pins the other way means i dont have to go to the post office lol


Its good to have a mix of pins in a lock, if they were all spool pins and known to be you could defeat the lock as easy as you could if they are all normal pins,

Youve got loads to learn but im guessing your goign to buzz off this hobby so stick with it,

If you wont take my offer of pins then you will need to buy a new lock, its possable you have a normal 6 pin yale but as cjames said its more than likely the x5 which is definatley not a begineers lock with some more experianced regulary getting tripped up on them,

Whats the code off the package? its the model number of the lock, if its an x5 it will have that across the front somewhere,

[complience]

yup its an X5, just bought any 2nd yale cylinder i could find on ebay before i knew what i was doing..

been having lots of fun with bump keys also.. it doesn't work on the X5 cos its a 6 pin.. but i was worryingly easy to get past my front door.