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DUDLEY LOCK CRACK METHOD

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Postby fizzmahon » 12 Feb 2007 0:31

finally worked for me. going to have to try it on a dudley i dont know the combination too tho. maybe it was just my brain knowing the numbers :roll:
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Postby jimmysmith » 12 Feb 2007 15:13

what exactly do these locks look like...anyone have a picture.
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Postby cjames73 » 12 Feb 2007 15:22

jimmysmith wrote:what exactly do these locks look like...anyone have a picture.

http://www.dudleylock.com/02A-_combo.html
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Postby jimmysmith » 12 Feb 2007 16:35

I see., thanks for the helpfull pictures. I have not seen one of these locks personally. .....kinda like a master combonation lock.. but not. I assume this lock is shimable..
Obviously the method of getting the combonation is diffrent then the way you go about it for a master lock...

I am from portland oregon... never seen this type of lock... are they uncommon... ?> or is it like some type of uk lock...

where would i find one to buy.. .any one know of local stores that would carry suck a lock?
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Postby cjames73 » 12 Feb 2007 16:58

i haven't seen one either, i don't think we can get them in UK.
i think dudley is a US/CAN company so someone else will have to tell you of suppliers.
as for shimming, i don't think they can be.
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Postby supguyex » 13 Feb 2007 0:22

dudleys can't be shimmed. i've tried many times. i think it has something to do with the way they're designed. that's why they're so popular with schools. 75 percent of the ppl at my school use dudleys. the other 25 percent use a combination of masterlocks and dollarstore locks
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Postby cjames73 » 13 Feb 2007 5:00

heres a link to a video showing dudley locks being made.
in it you can see the locking mech and why it cannot be shimmed.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 4232959466
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Postby H3A7 » 17 Feb 2007 23:40

Pardon me for asking but i am stuck.

I have 10 sticky points and 2 have a difference of 5, the rest 4. My letter is B.

58-3
34-39

I have two questions.
1. It says you plus and minus 7 (or try 2 since its B). So you get 4 new numbers?
2. So once i do question 1 how do i go about figuring out the 3rd number?

Greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Postby fizzmahon » 18 Feb 2007 0:20

dudley locks are the choice lock in our ontario high schools. not sure about elsewhere in the country
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nice.

Postby helloman » 19 Feb 2007 19:07

that is pretty awsome thanks for that tip i don't have a dudly but i am guna get one soon once again thanks for the tip





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Postby BobbO45 » 28 Feb 2007 16:33

cjames73 wrote:heres a link to a video showing dudley locks being made.
in it you can see the locking mech and why it cannot be shimmed.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 4232959466


Thanks much for the vid! Very informative, and quite impressive that they hand test every single lock they produce!

I will have to try and find one of these-never seen one.
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Postby makaveli » 15 Mar 2007 18:43

Okay i have TONS of dudleys at my school and i have been studying them for a while, first of all i don't understand your method, i don't know what you mean by add 7+ 7- and how do you know which number is first and what about the third number. i tried the first "sticky" part with my lock and guess what?... both of the first numbers have ended up being in(around) those parts
and if you know dudleys u know that you don't even have to be close to the ACTUALY number, so my theory is that maybe those sticky things are the parts that count as the specific number. maybe? i'm gonna go check other locks and see how it works. i still don't know how to get the last number
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Postby Stas » 22 Mar 2007 14:13

I just opened my brother's old high school dudley lock, with no prior knowledge of the combination.

I believe the vulnerability is related to a flaw in the manufacturing process, where the wheels are not of identical size.

For reference, my lock has a black dial, the 'all-capital-letters' DUDLEY logo, and has a 'B' printed on the back.

The method I used:
I started dialing pairs of numbers, starting from
0-55, 0-52, 0-49 ...
3-58, 3-55, 3-52 ...
etc., and pulling on the shackle at each combination to see if it got harder to move (I moved the dial back a few digits before pulling and wiggling it, so I wouldn't screw up the second number).

The dial moved freely in most combinations, with one exception: whenever the second number was ~21, the dial (third wheel) would encounter resistance whenever the shackle was pulled, in all gates except for one, between 5 and 8.

Since I was going right from 0, I found this behavior was consistent for combinations 7-21, 10-21, 13-21, 16-21. Because a number like 19-21 is awkward to dial (the buttons that connect the dials are ~3 "digits" wide.

After I imagined the innards of the lock, I realized that the second number must be ~21, and the third number lay in the 5-8 gate. I went back to 0 where I started from, and started dialing full combinations, but moving the first number left instead of right.. The second combination I got to worked perfectly: 54-21-7 (or 55-20-7, as it's easier to remember :D)

I noticed that when dialing the combinations (55 through 20)-20-xx, the dial got rigid ("scratchy") as I mentioned above.
When dialing (20 through 55)-20-xx, the dial didn't get too much more difficult to move, but seemed to squeak a little louder than usual.. although I may have imagined it.


My best explanation for this magical method is that the wheels inside must be of slightly different diameters and not perfectly circular (and/or not properly centered). When pulling on the shackle, you will lock one of the three wheels (the one that has the biggest diameter at that particular point). On most Dudley locks that I have seen, the front (third) wheel -- the one with all the gates -- is not the biggest, and rotates freely almost all the time (restricted only by its false gates).

I believe in my case, the third (first number) was the smallest, the front wheel (third number) was a little bigger, and the second wheel was the biggest. When the second wheel was dialed correctly, pulling the shackle locked the front wheel (connected to the dial), and provided tactile feedback, UNLESS it was pointed to the real gate. In one part of the circle (NOT the one I tried first :), the third wheel was bigger than the second (due to lopsidedness or bad centering), so the front wheel never locked up, even if the second wheel/number was dialed correctly.


Some notes:
1). The second and third wheels have one false gate each, so you may end up narrowing them down to a total of 4 possibilities, of which one is correct

2). Dialing pairs of numbers is extremely fast: dial the first number, loop around to pick up the second wheel, and then edge it along 3 notches at a time.. no need to reset and redial the first number until you're done with it... this is a really fast to do, and even if you try the correct combination last of all after running into every false gate, you'll still be done in a reasonable time (I don't see it taking more than half an hour, ever).

I hope that wasn't too wordy for my first post, but I really believe that this is the simplest way of decoding this type of lock, and I hope that I envisioned its inner workings correctly (pros, please correct me if I am mistaken about something). Stray's way of putting a feeler through the shackle and feeling the wheels inside is faster and cooler, but much harder I think: the shackle fits very snugly in the hole so you need a really thin feeler and some practice at the very least -- at least, I wasn't able to do it:)
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Postby Stas » 22 Mar 2007 14:22

Ahh!!!!
How do I delete my posts?
I didn't think it was working, so I ended up triple- (quadruple-?) posting!
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Postby UWSDWF » 22 Mar 2007 15:16

you can't delete your own posts
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DISCLAIMER:repeating anything written in the above post may result in dismemberment,arrest,drug and/or alcohol use,scars,injury,death, and midget obsession.
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