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Gerda titan ZX

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

Gerda titan ZX

Postby atrix » 21 Feb 2007 4:06

Hi all :D
My new lock:
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one question:works bumping with this lock :?:
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Postby Tygart » 21 Feb 2007 5:08

Wow that looks like one High Security lock.

By the looks of the key I don't see how you could bump it.
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Postby UWSDWF » 21 Feb 2007 7:07

wtf are the weird little red triangles... or are they ghosts?....
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Postby hurri » 21 Feb 2007 8:40

UWSDWF wrote:wtf are the weird little red triangles... or are they ghosts?....


same question. did you put them over there? :?:
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Postby UWSDWF » 21 Feb 2007 8:49

oh and as for your question... it's a pin tumbler lock and i don't see a side bar so theorhetically it is bumpable.
just remember that in theory practise and theory are exactly the same but in practise they are completely different.
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Postby HeadHunterCEO » 21 Feb 2007 8:51

The English is poor
The lock is nice
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Postby atrix » 21 Feb 2007 10:29

little red triangles: A 3 X=Atrix :D

2 UWSDWF

Your truth in this lock is no side bar.
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And if change a keycutting bumping is possible? :?:
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someone tried the impression of this lock :?:
I tried with the brass tube - it not work , evidently the markers :(
I want to try with the aluminum or with copper tube.
your thoughts :?: :?: :?:

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:) Yes you right my English really bad :oops: :oops: :oops:

thanks for help :D
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Postby JackNco » 21 Feb 2007 10:31

Very nice. any chance of a close up of the key as im having trouble working out how all those pins interact with it... and is it just me or doe all those pins look nearly exactly the same size.

All the best.
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Postby JackNco » 21 Feb 2007 10:32

ok u beat me 2 it...
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Postby dosman » 21 Feb 2007 11:06

So what type of lock would this be considered? Is it a pin tumbler lock that just uses an irregular shaped key?
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Postby mh » 21 Feb 2007 16:54

dosman wrote:So what type of lock would this be considered? Is it a pin tumbler lock that just uses an irregular shaped key?


I guess so.
To be more specific, you could call it a dimple lock, it has the same little variation in pin lengths.

I would say bumping would work, as well as raking with suitable tools.

Cheers,
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Postby Libris » 21 Feb 2007 17:08

Whoa, now thats a Lock :) I'm even too lazy to count the pins! Yeah, I would also call it a dimple, and as someone above me said, theoreticaly, it should be bumpable, although I have never saw anything like this anywhere. Impressive.

Cheers,
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Postby atrix » 22 Feb 2007 4:58

hi all :)
www.gerda.pl/en/zamki.php?kat=5
Step of cutting is 0.3mm
shall try to make on days off a bumpkey. :wink:
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Postby atrix » 22 Feb 2007 6:35

yesterday there was post and today already no :(
Even all answers has not had time to read up :(
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Please do not delete this post, аllow to read through answers.
I do not ask to learn me them to open disklock, a simple tube I ask to help to find.
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Do not erase please :) help if you can

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Please repeat your answers and comments in PM
I shall repeat a question:Whence to take a tube for a the middle part ?
where it is used?In cars, medicine, in chemistry,......?
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Postby TOWCH » 22 Feb 2007 9:31

When I made a similar tool I made the tube from aluminum on a lathe. I would recomend steel though. The alluminum flexes too much. I can tell I'm getting less than ideal feedback.

www.smallparts.com has been recommended before.

Look for an online supplier of steel tubing. You may have to chuck the tube in a drill press and sand down the diameter. I've never done this but you might try making a rig to hold the sandpaper on with popsicle sticks and C clamps. You fold the sand paper over the tube, tape two popsicle sticks to the sand paper parallel to the tube, and then use another 4: 2 on top, and 2 on bottom, with c clamps, and some spacers to put pressure on the sandpaper. You'll have to hang the c clamps over the head of the drill press with string, and you can check the diameter of the tube's progress with the tips of you calipers.

This is probably similar to the process I'll use myself soon for a project of my own.
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