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a few questions bout lock internals

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a few questions bout lock internals

Postby j8994 » 28 Feb 2007 0:10

hey guys, got a few ? lol,

1) has anyone ever picked a disk tumbler lock using standard pin tumbler picks?

2) i recently got a lock from a friend, he took it of his recently purchased coke machine, it is one of the newer locks. anyone got a ideal what kinda lock it is? As im having a lot of trouble with it lol. its the first lock to give me issues.

3) Can anyone direct me to info, on repinning a lock. what i am wanting to do. is have my house and my grandmothers working on a master system, so i only have to carry one key. if anyone knows how i appreciate the help.

Thanks J8994

I cant wait for my supporter fund to go through lol.
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Postby Fackifiknow » 28 Feb 2007 1:24

search button is in the top right corner.
google.
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Postby TOWCH » 28 Feb 2007 2:18

1)Yes, Skold owned a heavily masterkeyed Protec on video.
2)Post a picture of the keyway and we'll identify it.
3)Call a locksmith, say you want to bring in some locks to get masterkeyed, tell him how many there are, ask him for an estimate, decide if it's worth it to you, or make enough posts to make a wanted add in the buy, sell, trade forum, and find someone on here to sell you the pins to do so.
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Postby TOWCH » 28 Feb 2007 2:19

Fackifiknow wrote:search button is in the top right corner.
google.


Translation: "My name says it all."
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Postby Fackifiknow » 28 Feb 2007 2:20

TOWCH wrote:
Fackifiknow wrote:search button is in the top right corner.
google.


Translation: "My name says it all."


more or less
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Postby TOWCH » 28 Feb 2007 2:23

I do have a way with words. That last bit came out much more hostile than intended. :oops: Sorry: the triple posts say it all. :lol:
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Postby Fackifiknow » 28 Feb 2007 2:31

well being new to the site and lock picking that was about as much info as i could provide so fackifiknow is a fitting name 8)
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Re: a few questions bout lock internals

Postby freakparade3 » 28 Feb 2007 15:17

j8994 wrote:hey guys, got a few ? lol,

1) has anyone ever picked a disk tumbler lock using standard pin tumbler picks?

2) i recently got a lock from a friend, he took it of his recently purchased coke machine, it is one of the newer locks. anyone got a ideal what kinda lock it is? As im having a lot of trouble with it lol. its the first lock to give me issues.

3) Can anyone direct me to info, on repinning a lock. what i am wanting to do. is have my house and my grandmothers working on a master system, so i only have to carry one key. if anyone knows how i appreciate the help.

Thanks J8994

I cant wait for my supporter fund to go through lol.


Yes, disk tumbler locks can easily be picked using standard picks. You don't really need a "master key" system for the 3 houses. First you need to make sure all 3 locks use the same keyway, so your house key will fit their locks. If it does, get a small pin kit and change the pins on 2 of the 3 locks. Just take apart the lock, put the key you want to use in the keyway and figure out what pins you need to make all the pins level with the top of the plug. Put the lock back together and you are done. Their is alot of info here how to repin locks if you need help.
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Re: a few questions bout lock internals

Postby j8994 » 28 Feb 2007 22:08

freakparade3 wrote:
j8994 wrote:hey guys, got a few ? lol,

1) has anyone ever picked a disk tumbler lock using standard pin tumbler picks?

2) i recently got a lock from a friend, he took it of his recently purchased coke machine, it is one of the newer locks. anyone got a ideal what kinda lock it is? As im having a lot of trouble with it lol. its the first lock to give me issues.

3) Can anyone direct me to info, on repinning a lock. what i am wanting to do. is have my house and my grandmothers working on a master system, so i only have to carry one key. if anyone knows how i appreciate the help.

Thanks J8994

I cant wait for my supporter fund to go through lol.


Yes, disk tumbler locks can easily be picked using standard picks. You don't really need a "master key" system for the 3 houses. First you need to make sure all 3 locks use the same keyway, so your house key will fit their locks. If it does, get a small pin kit and change the pins on 2 of the 3 locks. Just take apart the lock, put the key you want to use in the keyway and figure out what pins you need to make all the pins level with the top of the plug. Put the lock back together and you are done. Their is alot of info here how to repin locks if you need help.


yeah that was what i was thinking too, plus it would also give me the learning of repining lock lol, as for the photo of the lock, ill take a pic when i finish fixing my camera, have to replace a chip on the mainboard
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Re: a few questions bout lock internals

Postby mercurial » 28 Feb 2007 22:31

freakparade3 wrote:Yes, disk tumbler locks can easily be picked using standard picks....


I think the OP is referring to Abloy rotating-disc type locks, not wafer tumbler locks, especially in light of the mention of vending machine locks.

There often seems to be confusion on this site resulting from wafer locks being referred to as disc-locks. Given that wafer locks are occasionally called disc-locks even in some literature, this is not surprising. It might help if we encourage using the term 'wafer' instead of disc when talking about such locks.

To the more advanced members here, it is usually very easy to infer what lock-mechanism is being discussed in a post about 'disc locks', but it seems to confuse a lot of new members.

If the OP was referring to Abloy-type locks, then the answer is no, conventional pin-tumbler pick tools will not *easily* pick an Abloy-style lock. Yes it could be, and probably has been done, but for all intents and purposes it isn't a viable approach.

There are specialised picks made for Abloy and abloy knockoffs, but any further discussion of that is restricted to the advanced forum.

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Re: a few questions bout lock internals

Postby freakparade3 » 28 Feb 2007 22:48

mercurial wrote:
freakparade3 wrote:Yes, disk tumbler locks can easily be picked using standard picks....


I think the OP is referring to Abloy rotating-disc type locks, not wafer tumbler locks, especially in light of the mention of vending machine locks.

There often seems to be confusion on this site resulting from wafer locks being referred to as disc-locks. Given that wafer locks are occasionally called disc-locks even in some literature, this is not surprising. It might help if we encourage using the term 'wafer' instead of disc when talking about such locks.

To the more advanced members here, it is usually very easy to infer what lock-mechanism is being discussed in a post about 'disc locks', but it seems to confuse a lot of new members.

If the OP was referring to Abloy-type locks, then the answer is no, conventional pin-tumbler pick tools will not *easily* pick an Abloy-style lock. Yes it could be, and probably has been done, but for all intents and purposes it isn't a viable approach.

There are specialised picks made for Abloy and abloy knockoffs, but any further discussion of that is restricted to the advanced forum.

...Mark


Thanks, you are right. I have never even seen an Abloy lock, and my books refer to common desk locks as "disk locks". My mistake, sorry.
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