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Hi im having trouble with certain types of padlocks..

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Hi im having trouble with certain types of padlocks..

Postby darksidedsam2 » 27 Feb 2007 16:23

Hi all..

Here is a list of brass padlocks i have picked
Padlocks ive picked

Tri circle 263
wolfdog
Tc Hardware
brass padlock same difficulty as Tc Hardware
another no named small keyhole brassy
eaglet (cheapo) lol
Abus ( a small one )
Wilko security ( small keyhole )
Yale (small)
Keypsafe (small)



My main tools are
- standard snake rake
- Standard tension wrench
- Half diamond slimline
- Slimline tension wrench


I can do brass padlocks easily now.. I have learned how to do the ones with tiny little keyholes too.. But i recently bought a padlock for a cheap price but i cannot do it ..

Here is one very very similar looking to it..
http://www.chateauproducts.com/images/C7650.jpg

Mine is like that one , made up of layers of steel like that one is..

whats the difference between these and brass padlocks.. why cant i pick it? i tried really hard and for ages..
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Looks like a copy of a master padlock

Postby gostone » 27 Feb 2007 17:02

You should be able to pick it easily enough, try the snake and then half diamond. Some of the really cheap locks can be difficult and unpredictable. Maybe try some light lucrication and try again.
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Postby mercurial » 28 Feb 2007 23:13

Many of the chinese-made knockoffs of the Master #3 (which it seems you are dealing with) contain security pins. This may be the reason you're having difficulties.

Have you encountered any of the typical signs of security pins whilst picking this lock? Such as the plug rotating, as if it is picked, only to stop after 10-15degrees? If this is the case, do some reading about security pins & you will be well on your way to defeating this lock.

The tricircle lock you mention having picked probably also contains security pins, but if you are raking it, you may not have noticed the feedback & negative plug rotation associated with security pins.

One other issue people seem to have with these laminated padlocks, is the tension wrench binding against the bottom plate of the lock - so even when the pins are all set, the plug will not turn, due to the wrench being jammed. Having a smooth, well-finished tension wrench can really help to avoid this, as can applying tension at the top of the keyway (you may have to make/modify a tension wrench to do this.)

Hope that helps,

...Mark

PS You don't mention picking locks other than padlocks.

If you have only focussed on padlocks so far, and are doing this as a hobby, you can learn a lot by buying a cheap deadbolt cylinder, and following digital_blue's guide - starting from one pin and working your way up.

Even though you are successfully picking padlocks with all pins in place, you will likely find that you can learn a lot more by taking a few steps backwards, and working your way forwards on a deadbolt cylinder.

One advantage is that you do not need to contend with the padlock's spring, which pushes back against the tension you apply. This makes it hard for a beginner to learn to apply and control tension properly.

You can also add security pins to the cylinder as you progress, and learn how they respond, and how to deal with them.

You will learn a lot that would take a lot longer to learn if you are practicing only on padlocks - escpecially if the padlocks are not repinnable. If you have a repinnable padlock, you can most likely remove the core and use it as a practice cylinder in place of a deadlock cylinder.

Following digital_blue's exercise you will learn to feel and accurately interpret the feedback from the lock, meaning when you pick an unfamiliar lock, you can do so in a methodical manner, with understanding of what is going on inside the lock - and greatly improved chances of success!
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Postby BobbO45 » 1 Mar 2007 20:54

In my experience the plugs are a lot more sloppy in Master lock No. 3 type locks (especially Master locks themselves) than in brass padlocks. I had the same problem with the laminated steel locks at the beginning as well. Try using a hook and gently raking from the back of the lock. You should be able to open it, and that will give you the confidence to try single pin picking of the lock. Good luck!
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