Know a good gun lock?

[Knowthebird]

Hey.

I've been able to open a master trigger lock like I had the real key with jiggler keys, and I believe I've made a master key to (at least some) DAC trigger locks.

I was hoping someone could recomend one they knew to be bypass proof and have decent pick protection.

Thanks ahead for any and all help.

[Shrub]

I have to admit that i dont know this area very well but incase of nothing else i will add my 2 cents,

I believe there isnt a great gun lock out there, they are more designed to be a hinderance than anything i think,
It may be best to have some sort of cabinet that is lockable instead,

[Knowthebird]

OK. I had an idea for a gun lock I thought might be good.

I was in target last week and noticed some of the new nike locks were using the old abloy technology/design. I read up a little online and found that some bike locks a very strong (of course they get pretty expensive to).

I was wondering why not use the old abloy design to make cable gun locks like bike locks.

I was thinking I would buy a bike lock and try to come up with a chain or bolt that could act like a cable or trigger lock. Of course my chain would not be very strong, but it could be considered a prototype.

But then I noticed a post (I think you made) that said these locks where pretty insecure once you learned the vulnerability.

From what I know about them they are pretty durable (which is probably why they are being used for bike locks), have good drill resistence (assuming you are not trying to read it but just drill through it), and are pretty pick resistent (through obscurity, I don't know).

Do you think the idea is worth pushing/messing with, or would the vulnerability you know about crack it to easily.

[Shrub]

Hmmm, not sure why i would have said Abloy are unsecure unless it comes across wrong but they can be picked,

Again im not sure as its not my area of expertise but im sure its a market thats not only very competative but also crying out for updated hardware in that department,

You need to do a lot of research on this, see whats on the market already and look through patents on other such items,

Ive seen in films gun racks etc and im sure ive seen things that use a cable threaded through the trigger hole,

Maybe a new concept along the lines of a wall mounted attachment that locks the gun in place some other way, i just dont know, i would guess any gun holder, rack etc would need secure storage for bullets etc?

As for the lock, well you could use any one of the secure ones and you would have to go for the one that offers the best application for your use and also the best cost for supply,

[fsdhy]

Hey.

I've been able to open a master trigger lock like I had the real key with jiggler keys, and I believe I've made a master key to (at least some) DAC trigger locks.

I was hoping someone could recomend one they knew to be bypass proof and have decent pick protection.

Thanks ahead for any and all help.

Honestly, no high security lock company would waste money designing something small enough to fit inside of a trigger lock. There is a very obvious reason for this... Its completely unnecessary. First of all, do you think people would buy trigger locks if they weren't part of the safe storage laws? Unfortunately, gun people tend to be the "meet the minimum requirements and screw the government for even making me do that much" type of people. Why, I'm not sure. I'm a gun person and I'm not like that at all. Therefore, thanks to this attitude, trigger locks will always be "just good enough" and nothing more.

I know that in my case, here in Ontario, you are not required to have locks on a gun stored inside of a "container designed for gun storage" aka a safe. So my restricted weapons, inside of my safe, don't have trigger locks. My only unrestricted gun DOES have a trigger lock, because it is on a rack in my bedroom. I have gone above the requirements of the law, however, and I have a storage room schlage knobset with a medeco3 cyl. + a super smoothie door closer on a decent solid door. So even if my sisters kids are over, I don't have to worry about them even seeing the gun let alone getting in and bypassing the trigger lock...

[fsdhy]

The storage room set and door closer may sound over the top, but I actually have a lot of safe opening equipment, computer equipment, rare books and liquor in my bedroom. Also, I store my motorcycle in there during the winter So I can walk in and out as much as I want, I know that the door is always locked behind me.

[fsdhy]

One last thing... If you are concerned about a specific threat... Ie you taught your teenage son to pick locks, and you are concerned he might be able to pick your trigger lock.... Well, just use a "high security"-ish bicycle lock through the feeding path...

[Shrub]

I think he was more along the lines of coming up with a new idea for gun locks and suggested threading a cable through the triggers and useing a bike lock as a base for his prototype,

Unless i read it wrong

[fsdhy]

I think he was more along the lines of coming up with a new idea for gun locks and suggested threading a cable through the triggers and useing a bike lock as a base for his prototype,

Unless i read it wrong

If that's the case, he's a little late.... About 25 years too late

http://www.andean-inc.com/Merchant2/gra ... PTR2-1.jpg

[Shrub]

Hence why i suggest a lot of research before such adventures are undertaken,

If its just a project go for it and show us what you came up with,

[fsdhy]

:lol: Hence why i suggest a lot of research before such adventures are undertaken,

If its just a project go for it and show us what you came up with,

But hey, if he can find a bike lock based on something high security (ie: abloy), and modify the cable to be strong enough, I guarantee he'd have at least one customer... Provided it fits the action of a remington 700.

[Knowthebird]

Yah, One of my friends is real big into guns (21 of them and about 10000 rounds) and he will probably never get gun locks. I'm not sure he even locks all the doors to his house. He looks at it like, well no one I don't trust knows where the guns are, so I don't need to worry. I think thats a pretty bad attitude.

I don't own any guns (i'm 17), but I expect I will buy a shotgun or rile when I turn 18. I have not decided if I wan't to keep a lock on it or not. Time will tell.

Anyways, I know that it is really unlikely that I will make a patent or try to really sell the idea. Instead I think I am more likely to come up with some sort of mod to improve gun locks. So, if anyone does care that much they can make a quick mod.

Here is a patent for one of the locks...
5010746
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5010746&id=U98dAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=kryptonite+bike+lock#PRA1-PA4,M1

The patent pictures don't really show the inner working of the cylander, so I might end up reading that whole thing :-(.

I don't know that there are no companies that will be interested though. Kyrptonight has made a pretty good lock for about 15 dollers. I might just email some gun lock makers and let them know about the idea if I refine it. It could be worth while for them to invest in it. I would expect that being able to say there gun lock is the best and show why could earn them some respect/customers. Law enforcement or the military could be the most interested in it, but the military may very well have there own way of locking guns :-).

[Knowthebird]

:lol: Hence why i suggest a lot of research before such adventures are undertaken,

If its just a project go for it and show us what you came up with,

But hey, if he can find a bike lock based on something high security (ie: abloy), and modify the cable to be strong enough, I guarantee he'd have at least one customer... Provided it fits the action of a remington 700.

Ok, you guys got me motivated. I'm probably going to go buy one of the locks tomarrow.

[maxxed]

Perhaps someone should come up with a lock that is part of the stock. The American padlock core could drive a mechanism to block the trigger. Then you would have a rekeyable and reasonably secure trigger lock that won't get lost while hunting

just a thought

[mercurial]

Honestly, no high security lock company would waste money designing something small enough to fit inside of a trigger lock. There is a very obvious reason for this... Its completely unnecessary.

Well Medeco do make a cylinder for handcuffs, this must be a pretty tiny cylinder, surely small enough to fit into a trigger-lock?

With regards to it being completely unnecessary, I see having a Medeco lock on handcuffs as unnecessary in general, too - but such a product exists.... and they are some _really_ serious cuffs. They can even be ordered so that each 'cuff' on a pair of handcuffs are keyed different!

http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum2216.php

I'm not trying to imply that Medeco developed the cylinder used in these cuffs specifically for handcuffs, merely pointing out that small enough high-security locks do exist.

Would be interesting to see these handcuffs (unmodified and properly fitted) employed in an escapology performance!

...Mark