1st vidio master 140

[outlawcajin]

This is my 1st vidio, its kinda crappy. Its kind of a pain trying to pick at a weird angle so I could get it on camera. i just got my picks yesterday and they make this 140 a breeze. i couldnt preiviosly do it with my dyno quick pick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe10yxtL5w4

[Eyes_Only]

Hey! Your desk has a computer and is cluttered with locks just like mines!

[rrrrrrkevin]

I have 2 master no.140's and i cannot single pin pick either of them but one of them i can easily rub open with the long W rake because it happens to line up the pins nearly like the key does.
Do they have security pins or something? I definetly cannot get the one that opens with the long W to open when i use as much tension as it looks like you are using.

[outlawcajin]

yea , i got all kinda crap all over and around my desk, locks, tools, and just to much stuff. my wife dosnt like it to much, but at least she dosnt have to use my desk, she has her own.

And im not sure about the security pins, i have 3 140's and from what i can tell the seam to have a trait with puting a pin in the #2 slot that is like a 1 or something. you cant move it to far up or you will go to far, witch makes it hard to get behind it and pick the others with out hiting it. you have to give your self as much room as posible to move around in there. And light tention, you may have to back off a small bit after seting the 1st pin.

[trevor1189]

Nice work, love seeing lock picking videos.

[mercurial]

I have 2 master no.140's ...
Do they have security pins or something? I definetly cannot get the one that opens with the long W to open when i use as much tension as it looks like you are using.

Yes the Master 140s contain spools.
Therefore, I would suggest continuing to use light tension.

If you have not picked spools before, get a deadbolt cylinder, have a look at digital_blue's picking tutorial, and once you are comfortable picking it with 5 normal top pins, reduce the number of pin stacks again, and add a single spool. You can then learn how the spool repsonds, and the feedback associated with a false-set spool, how to identify the spool, and how to control the tension to allow you to set it, without dropping other pins (not always possible.)

Then, as in d_b's guide, add more pins, until you are working on a five pin lock with one spool, and then progressively substitue more spools for normal top pins as you improve.

I do not reccommend learning about security pins on a padlock - learning hwo spools respond requires good tension control, and for the new picker, having to balance tension against the latch-spring of the padlock is challenging. The feedback from a cheap Master lock with sloppy tolerances is also poor.

You will be able to feel, identify, and then pick spool and other security pins if you learn about them in a deadlock cylinder, which doesn't have counter-tension on it from a spring. You can then easily progress to tackling spools in padlocks too.

Having said that, by all means keep working on your Master #140 - keep the tension light, try to feel when you reach a false set due to the spools, learn to feel out where the spools are. But as said above, if you are just beginning, I'd advice learning security pins (and picking in general for that matter) on a simple deadlock cylinder.

The master locks tend to be so sloppy that it is hard to accurately learn to recognise the feedback from security pins - and this is another advantage of using a deadbolt cylinder (with better tolerances than the cheap master locks), to learn to pick security pins.

For the same reason, Tri-Circle locks, usually infested with security pins are likewise, in my opinion, not a good choice of lock to start learning about picking security pins.

Hope this helps and best of luck,

...Mark

[helloman]

your vids are just like mine with a scrwaming baby in the backround haha but very nice video!

[BobbO45]

I too like the background noises , although I disagree about the spring always making it harder to pick the lock.

I think that it depends on the lock that you are dealing with. I have two of the Master #140, and one of them the spring comes in darn handy, while the other makes it more difficult.

I personally think that the spring makes it easier to pick the one lock by allowing you to let up on the tension just enough to set the final pins, and not so much that the previously set ones unset on the one lock, but on the other it makes it hard to feel exactly how much tension you need.

[mercurial]

...I disagree about the spring always making it harder to pick the lock.

I think that it depends on the lock that you are dealing with. I have two of the Master #140, and one of them the spring comes in darn handy, while the other makes it more difficult.

I personally think that the spring makes it easier to pick the one lock by allowing you to let up on the tension just enough to set the final pins, and not so much that the previously set ones unset on the one lock, but on the other it makes it hard to feel exactly how much tension you need.

I agree with you 100% - my advice regarding starting with a deadlock(as opposed to a padlock) is because having to deal with the interference of the padlock's spring is adding another variable.

I feel this isn't helpful when a beginner is at the stage of learning the feedback associated with manipulating only the pins themselves & the control of tension. So for a beginner, I strongly reccommend a deadlock cylinder.

With some locks, the counter-tension from a padlocks spring can indeed be very helpful, particularly so in my experience when dealing with security pins, the counter-tension can permit even better control whilst gradually easing off the tension to get a spool/mushroom out of a false-set. This can indeed be an advantage for an experienced practitioner.

I feel that it is wise to learn the feedback from the pins themselves, before adding extra variables, such as the spring in a padlock.

Once you have mastered manipulating pins & understanding the feedback from the pick and tension wrench, you are in a position to learn to use the counter-tension from a padlock's spring to your advantage. Until that point, I feel it complicates the learning process for a beginner.

Thats my opinion, anyway,

...Mark

[outlawcajin]

thnks for the feedback, when my skills get up to par hopefully i can make something else to entertain a few.

your vids are just like mine with a scrwaming baby in the backround haha but very nice video!

That was actualy th T.V., CSI i think. My kids are 8 and 5. Thank god i dont get to much crying anymore