Removing a cylinder from a mortice.

[DiamondHead.exe]

I have an old mortice that i received from a friend back home.
It is a schlage everest d235 and i am having trouble trying to take the actual cylinder out of its mortice shell





Thanks all!

[DiamondHead.exe]

if anyone has suggestions or advice on how to open this i would be much obliged.

also, keep in mind that i am at boarding school for the next month so i have only a screw driver and a wrench and normal teenager stuff (whatever that may be!)

[LockNewbie21]

Well it seems to be a chlage IC core.

I have heard that there function is diffrent from the BEst SFIC's

If it was a tail piece with two screws remove them, if not, you will need to activate the control shear.

The plug will turn 15 degrees to the left and be able to be removed

[DiamondHead.exe]

i tried feeling for any grooves on the bottom of the keyhole if i could pick it to the control sheer

my friend says that he for sure lost the key a long time ago, and that us why he is giving me the lock.

since all the locksmiths in the state of NC or city of Greensboro are hicks and cant tell a ACE from a tampon dispenser wafer lock. (jk, dont get all angry) my best bet would be to wait until i go on break and dremel through the shell and then rip the cylinder out?

[LockNewbie21]

If there is not Tailpiece where two screws are located that retain the cylinder, you will have to pick it open and see if you can remove it, perhaps someone who has one of these can help.

If its an everest, Theres alteast 6 pins, I have yet to see security pins in one, and the tollences suck due to the check pin so picking is not a problem.

Once the cylinder cocks just a lsight bit stick a rake down the bottom of the key way engae the check pin. you could use a hook as well.

Once it is open and does not still come out post clear pictures of a the back and sides. As of now form the picks it looks like one of schages funky IC cores, there not very difficult though it should not be a big problem to pcik

[2octops]

Only difference between a working key and control key for Schlage IC is the control has an extra cut at the tip of the key.

So, instead of having to pick 6 chambers, you actually have to pick 7.

[DiamondHead.exe]

Thanks guys,

Since the bottom of the Everest's mortice shell is open, i dont even need need to engage the check pin with a pick. i just push it down from the bottom.
But even then, picking it is still a female dog. My friend says it was used in a system that had 1 operating key and 1 master and 1 grandmaster.
So it should be easier to open, but it isn't.
But to pick it open, i would need to pick 7 pins and not pick 6 and have them perfectly at the control shear?

[mfschantz]

Because it's not an SFIC, you aren't dealing with two shear lines. The SFIC have a control sleeve that retains the core in the lock. Your core is retained by a mechanism in the back and therefore has only one shear line. I have a Schlage IC (pic in another thread linked below). I have picked it. Gordon Airporte has picked it. Neither of us had any real issues. I >still< haven't gotten the core out of the lock even though I have an idea of what I'm dealing with. Your everest should pick like a normal everest. Reference the other thread for some idea of how to get the core out.

LINK

[mfschantz]

I've been searching for the past two hours, and I think this is a good diagram of what we are dealing with in our Schlage IC locks.

Patent Link

It looks right based on the control keys I have seen for this kind of lock. It's essentially an additional pin in the back.

[DiamondHead.exe]

Ugh, you guys are my heroes, there was no tailpeice, so i ripped out a circular metal doohickey behind the cap and then saw the control pin. holy road apples is that spring stiff, no wonder i cant pick the thing.
the patent diagram is awesome, thanks so much ya'll ill tell you guys how it works out

[DiamondHead.exe]

ok, so its 11.32 and i have picked it 3 times but once i pick it, what do i do to pull it out?

[mfschantz]

When you figure that one out, let me know. From the other thread, it looks like you have to hit the retaining pin at the back before you rotate the core too far. Someone else suggested that you could remove the core without picking the lock, but I've had no luck with that at all. My lock was bought on eBay, so for all I know, it's broken. I refuse to buy another lock until I get this one all figured out. I'll play with it more this weekend and see if I can't report something good on Monday. Good luck to you, mate!

[dab]

the last "control" pin should be space # 7 and a depth of 9, unless everest is different.