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abus 65/50

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abus 65/50

Postby witton » 6 Mar 2007 1:15

can anyone help i am trying to pick the abus 65/50 i have only done it once and i think this was more through luck than anything else,i know the basic principles and have read about the spool pins but was wandering if you could give me any tips.
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Postby JackNco » 6 Mar 2007 1:20

Get a cheaper lock. :)

Abus are secure locks, get a nice cheap kwikset from a hardware store and follow DBs Beginners guide.

You are going to be facing spool pins in the lock u have. not a good beginners lock.
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Postby Squelchtone » 6 Mar 2007 1:46

JackNco wrote:Get a cheaper lock. :)

Abus are secure locks, get a nice cheap kwikset from a hardware store and follow DBs Beginners guide.

You are going to be facing spool pins in the lock u have. not a good beginners lock.



You actually sell Kwikset brand locks in UK stores? I never thought it was possible to get you guys back for oppressing us with your king, but I guess aside from our past rebellion, selling you our crappy locks is a good start. =)

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Postby JackNco » 6 Mar 2007 1:54

lol oops never checked the location.

No we don't sell Kwikset. Get a Yale/Zone lock NOT a Ross (there worse than a kwikset)

or a euro and have a crack at my guide. (Plug) but please comment if you do use my guide.
viewtopic.php?t=18327

But do follow DB's guide
viewtopic.php?t=10677

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Postby mercurial » 6 Mar 2007 5:11

John - I fully agree with you advice that he tackle an easier lock an an Abus if he is a beginner, as it will contain (likely several)security pins.

Pardon my ignorance, but wouldn't a Yale also contain some security pins?

I have always been under the impression that Yale cylinders will contain them. All the Yale locks I have encountered here in Australia have contained mushrooms (they were quite old, I'd not be surprised if the new ones use spools instead).

I guess if following digital_blue's exercise, with a Yale, the spools can be excluded from the cylinder, until you have progressed to reliably picking the lock with all the 'non-security' pinstacks installed.

Another question - I've heard mention of Zone cylinders several times in the past when asking friends in the UK what locks they have on their doors.

From their descriptions, I've come to the conclusion that a Zone cylinder is kindof like an off-brand Yale, almost identical, but without the finer tolerances one would expect in a Yale, but otherwise very very similar? Am I on the right track?

Witton - if you do buy a Yale cylinder, be sure to steer well clear of the Yale X5 for now!

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Postby JackNco » 6 Mar 2007 5:20

Yale's will contain some security pins in general. in my experience a spool or 2. im sure if he has any trouble I can post him a couple of Driver pins from a Yale if it becomes a problem for him.

the most common Zone locks are basically Yale's, but I think they have a slightly better made feel to them. everything looks just a bit more rounded off. but in picking terms they seem identical to me. im sure some one with more experience with them can correct me if im wrong.

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Postby mercurial » 6 Mar 2007 7:27

Thankyou for detailing your experience of the Zone's - all I had to go on previously was details obtained talking to friends in the UK, but these being friends who have no idea about or interest in locks whatsoever, so even getting to the stage of working out that it was a 'yale-like' cylinder wasn't easy lol.

One thing that has surprised me, there is a lot of talk here at LP101 about locks meeting the appropriate BS standards for insurance purposes in the UK.

Yet, the people I speak to (who have no interest in locks) and ask about their locks seem to have door hardware which falls far short of what I understand is required to satisfy the insurance companies over there!

Is this often the case, as is my impression?

The insurance approved BS rated locks seem like a real challenge, I really look forward to getting my hands on a quality lever lock- all I see here in Australia are 2 or 3 lever junk, that I taught myself to pick, just by taking it apart to see how it works, before I was 12yo - hardly a lock at all.

However, I really look forward to learning to pick quality lever locks! No doubt it will provide me with many, countless hours of fascinating frustration & eventually reward. I'm sure it will require a great deal of patience, even with all the excellent help available on this forum!!

It does seem that there is still quite a range in difficulty between different brands and models these BS locks, but all of them seem very secure compared to most of what I see in residential doors here in Australia.

Such a shame so many of us in Aus and the US miss out on these locks for the most part. I guess it saves the average Aussie lockies a lot of money not having purchase the expensive pro-tools&decoders for these locks, though :wink:

Sorry for the thread-hijack,
Thanks again,

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Postby witton » 6 Mar 2007 14:41

i have tried cheap locks and find they open too easy i wanted a challenge but was wandering what the best tips are for this type of lock.
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Postby JackNco » 6 Mar 2007 17:01

mercurial:: Yep bit of a thread hijack. so ill answer quickly. Yes some lever locks do and some don't meet insurance standards. its not uncommon for them not to meet insurance standards. 5Lever is the minimum i think and they must be approved also. Or at least thats how i understand it.

witton:: I dont have any experience with that specific lock but i will say this. Lock picking has a steel learning curve. so Dont try to run before you can walk. Do me a quick list of what you have opened so far and i will do my best to make a recommendation for a good lock for you to move on to. although this is generally a bad idea as different people will have different experiences with locks. But i will do my best to advise.
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Regarding Abus

Postby Lauren » 6 Mar 2007 22:52

Certainly, the spool pins are the first challange. Then you have to face a five pin lock with very little space to which you can manipulate your pick, and last, you have a cylinder that's under spring tension. Try impressioniong it open. Good Luck. :D
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Postby witton » 8 Mar 2007 2:24

how do you impression it
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Postby JackNco » 8 Mar 2007 17:32

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