Bode Panzer was on ebay

by **n2oah** » 13 Mar 2007 15:42

greyman wrote:
n2oah wrote:Yes, I was going to go up to $750, but I decided I wanted a new drum set. I felt better after it sold for 1k. Let me guess, you took the high bid?

N2oah - you are joking, right My wife would kill me if I spent that kind of money on a lock! Besides, I live in the UK - for that money I could travel to Germany and pick one up for a lot less than that. Apparently though, $1000 is about right for a Bode Panzer (Tangential) lock on ebay, I have it on good authority.

greyman, how much could you get one for in germany?

by **greyman** » 13 Mar 2007 18:05

n2oah, I really don't know, but I'm sure it would be a fair bit less than US$1000 in Germany as this is where they were originally made and it stands to reason that there are more there than anywhere else. I have not actually asked anyone there as I have not seriously considered buying one. Maybe mh would know?

by **PuI2e_PLaYaZ** » 14 Mar 2007 11:08

Ok so interesting lock but the real question here is how do you pick it ?

by **JackNco** » 14 Mar 2007 11:35

with great difficulty? i assume ude have to design a tool. but ude be nuts to pick a lock worth that much.

by **BobbO45** » 26 Mar 2007 20:09

For everybody interested in old locks and high security locks I highly recommend the book "American Genius," Nineteenth-Century Bank Locks and Time Locks.

I got it for my last birthday.

It is wonderfully illustrated with incredible pictures, descriptions, and it gives a history of Bank Locks.

Great book for some free time reading (or the coffee table :lol:

).

by **greyman** » 27 Mar 2007 3:47

Agreed, Erroll's book on American Bank Locks is fabulous, especially the photography. Unfortunately you will find very few non-American locks in there :wink:

That means Bode Panzer, Fichet, Lips etc don't get a mention.

by **Kaellman** » 27 Mar 2007 5:12

Im totally consumed by this lock. Does anyone know of the history of the Panzer that was on the bay? How many of these locks are still out there? Info on the lever cylinder systems seem to be restricted, which even makes it even more mystic!

Would be awesome to see cut-away on this one (is something burning?), but im guessing that would be restricted aswell.

Btw, the book u were talking about seems like a good read. Just ordered it ^^

by **Kaellman** » 27 Mar 2007 5:37

Sorry just saw the movie (couldnt do it at work) and it gave me all the answers i needed. Thanks for linking it!

by **raimundo** » 27 Mar 2007 10:52

there was a war there a long time ago after the war, a lot of the safes got just blown, in fact I have read a small book about it way back in the 1960s, the US military had a unit of safecrackers working on safes in germany, the article may have been the first time I read of using shaped charges to open saves, (conical, over the lock or bolts I presume)
and if there were bode panzer locks that lost their keys, and were locked, you can imagin that they were drilled or something, These ones that are turning up now must be from the locks that were opened by key rather than blown back in the day. probably most of this went on at the government offices, not the local jewelers though,
I read recently that the troops going through homes in bagdad are opening safes there, given that reporters probably dont have a lot of depth in the whole safes area, these could be some kind of sentrysafe sheetmetal boxes, that could be opened with a fire axe or a halligan, or they might have been refering to some safe that really required some force. I wonder if any of the members here who are in iraq, (theres a few of them) have seen anything like that.

by **Kaellman** » 28 Mar 2007 1:58

So in a couple of years we might see some rare Afganistanian locks on the market then

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It seems tho that the lock that was on sale was on one of the later models of the Panzer. Does anyone know when they introduced the longer key model? Or any books, movies or pages that has more info on these locks?

by **BobbO45** » 28 Mar 2007 14:20

Don't know much about the Panzer, as greyman said, American Genius doesn't have much other than American locks.

Hope you enjoy your new book when it gets to you Kaellman!

by **mercurial** » 29 Mar 2007 1:33

Kaellman wrote: Does anyone know when they introduced the longer key model? Or any books, movies or pages that has more info on these locks?

The length of the key doesn't correspond with the model of the lock - a key with the right bitting will obviously open the lock regardless of its length.

The length of the key in safe locks in general is determined by the thickness of the door. One exception, as Greyman explained above is a safe door with a 'lafette' - this is to facilitate the use of a short key in a very thick door.

I don't know of any other movies or pages that discuss this lock, other than the one I linked to earlier in this thread. That said, I would think there would be more information lurking online for those able to speak German.

...Mark

by **Kaellman** » 29 Mar 2007 2:47

The length of the key in safe locks in general is determined by the thickness of the door. One exception, as Greyman explained above is a safe door with a 'lafette' - this is to facilitate the use of a short key in a very thick door.

Thats what i thought aswell. The locks seem quite fragile tho. Blowing one of these up must have been quite easy.

That said, I would think there would be more information lurking online for those able to speak German.

Aye. Do you think mailing toool might give me some answers?

by **mercurial** » 29 Mar 2007 5:00

Kaellman wrote:
The length of the key in safe locks in general is determined by the thickness of the door. One exception, as Greyman explained above is a safe door with a 'lafette' - this is to facilitate the use of a short key in a very thick door.

Thats what i thought aswell. The locks seem quite fragile tho. Blowing one of these up must have been quite easy.

Destructive entry isn't something this site is about, and I am sure if this starts turning into a thread about using explosives on locks, it will be locked and rightly so.

That said, I really can't see why you think the Bode Panzer seems fragile! Have you seen other safe lever locks? Both the lever (eg Chubb, Ross etc) and dial-combination locks (Sargent & Greenleaf, LaGard) that are widely used today certainly do not look more robust(against explosives) than the Panzer to me!

What safe lock are you comparing it to when you say it is fragile?

A safe lock gets a lot of protection from the safe door in which it is mounted.

Given raimundo mentions use of shaped-charges to penetrate safes in post-war Gernany, I would say that the locks(and safe doors sheilding them) used on these safes (Panzer included) were very robust - or use of shaped charges would've been unnecessary..

That said, I would think there would be more information lurking online for those able to speak German.

Aye. Do you think mailing toool might give me some answers?

I really don't know, we have a few German members onsite here, perhaps they are able to point you in the right direction. Being such a rare lock, it isn't surprising that there isn't a great deal of information about it, which is a shame, I also find the lock fascinating!

...Mark

by **Kaellman** » 29 Mar 2007 7:54

Destructive entry isn't something this site is about, and I am sure if this starts turning into a thread about using explosives on locks, it will be locked and rightly so.

Concidering that its a rare lock alot of em must have gotten lost in the war, blown up, just like raimundo said. It was never my intention to discuss explosive entry methods, i was just thinking out loud. I mean, as far as the conditions these locks lived under are concerned, finding one of em on ebay is quite a catch

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