Bode Panzer was on ebay

[raimundo]

The part I read about came from a small book, about 150 pages, with a few black and white photos, hardcover size about 6by8 inches in my memory, but I cant remember the name of it. it may have also mentioned the fbi blackbag unit that was active in the 1940s or i may be conflateing that with another small book. anyway, blackbag could be a search term, as well as germany 1946 and safecracking. I wonder if any search engine would know of it, has the library of congress been google crossrefed yet?

[PickPick]

I think you mean "Surreptitious Entry" by Willis George:
http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=1285

[Kaellman]

If you mean that book, is it worth a buy just for the info on these locks?

[mercurial]

Concidering that its a rare lock alot of em must have gotten lost in the war, blown up, just like raimundo said. It was never my intention to discuss explosive entry methods, i was just thinking out loud. I mean, as far as the conditions these locks lived under are concerned, finding one of em on ebay is quite a catch

I know that wasn't your intention to discuss explosive entry methods, I was just stating that discussion of explosives will end up in this thread being locked, which would be a shame.

The reason I said that, is that I am really interested as to why you think the Bode Panzer looks fragile compared to other safe locks, whist I didn't want the discussion to head into details about blowing up locks.

What is is that makes you feel the Panzer is fragile compared to other safe locks?

...Mark

[PickPick]

If you mean that book, is it worth a buy just for the info on these locks?

I don't remember it having a lot of info on locks. You don't need a lot of lock details for blowing up safes.

[Kaellman]

What is is that makes you feel the Panzer is fragile compared to other safe locks?

It looked fragile and vulnerable to explosive entry, not compared to other safe locks.

[PickPick]

With enough explosives, everything looks fragile and vulnerable *g*

[Kaellman]

I don't remember it having a lot of info on locks. You don't need a lot of lock details for blowing up safes.

I was looking for info on the lock. I think it was quite clear i wasnt looking for info on blowing up safes dont u?

With enough explosives, everything looks fragile and vulnerable *g*

Even tho u said that "explosive entry isnt something this site is about" you you keep on pushing the discussion even though iv already explained my reason for mentioning it earlier.

Lets try adding something to the thread shall we?

[raimundo]

Hey I brought it up, just because it was in that book, which I think is the one mentioned by pickpick, there was not so much on locks, it was sort of the story of these people recruiting safecrackers from in prison, to teach others to open them, all that sort of stuff, it had photos, and was not actually fiction,

[PickPick]

I don't remember it having a lot of info on locks. You don't need a lot of lock details for blowing up safes.

I was looking for info on the lock. I think it was quite clear i wasnt looking for info on blowing up safes dont u?

I was only answering your question about the book and why IMHO they didn't cover the locks in detail. They weren't interested in the locks after all.
As for the suggestion that it might be asier to get informations in Germany, I just checked the 3 main german books on lock technology and none of them even mention the Tangential lock. Your best bet to get more informations would be a collector or maybe the company that once produced them, Bode Panzer.

[greyman]

I can't remember if I've mentioned this before, but there was info on the Bode Tangential and Cerberus locks on the tresor-offnung (spelling?) site. The fellow had these locks from old safes and had machined new keys for them! A fabulous achievement, given that the Tangential requires a 4-bitted key and the Cerberus a 3-bitted key. From the ebay pictures, the Tangential has split sliders (acting in opposition) and possibly single ones underneath. The action appears to be like an Ava lock.

From memory, the Cerberus had 3 sets of balance levers - still a rotary construction with the key hitting the lever belly and tilting it just enough to bring the ends to match the diameter of the core.

It'll be a while before we see another Bode on ebay though, I think.