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Criminal record/ locksmith business

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Criminal record/ locksmith business

Postby AlphaOmega » 31 Mar 2007 8:43

Me and a close friend want to open a locksmith business..... Anyways he has a couple of burglaries on his record! Is there any chance of him being able to be a locksmith or am I in this alone?


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Postby pauly003 » 31 Mar 2007 9:13

That depends on where you live. Fill in the rest of your profile and we will be able to better assist you. If you are opening your own shop at least you wont have to explain those B&E charges to your boss. You could always look into getting pardoned.
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Postby RodVT » 31 Mar 2007 9:38

Wouldn't that be a little like letting the fox into the henhouse? I think you should avoid even the idea of locksmithing while your friend is around. Sooner or later he will pressure you into doing something wrong. Maybe you could choose something a little less tempting for a business venture to do together.....
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Postby SlingsVaqueros » 31 Mar 2007 9:40

Most states in the US want to see at least a number of years of clean record, if the state requires a licence. I live in NJ and you have to be a person of "good moral character", which is defined as 10 years of clean record, to apply for a locksmithing licence. I know some good people make mistakes in their youth so I won't discourage you and your friend from using your lock knoledge for legitimate, legal, and honorable purposes.

You may want to look into getting the criminal record expunged (removed from your record). This is usually a long and expensive process, and not all charges can be removed, but you want to speak to a lawyer about that.

Good luck and stay straight.
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Postby n2oah » 31 Mar 2007 10:11

It really depends where you live. I assume his burglaries were on his juvenile record. If he's in Wisconsin, you don't need to worry, as Juvenile records are not public, and I believe they can only be accessed by court order after you're an adult.
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Postby SlingsVaqueros » 31 Mar 2007 10:24

Juvenile records, and access to them, can be tricky. Nothing from a juvenile judgment can be used as a legal bar from access to employment (I think, again; this is stuff for Lawyers) but it can be used as a character reference.

We're getting pretty deep into claiming that we know what we are talking about without having specific information about who we are talking about, or even where... I'm going to shut up before I plant my foot firmly in my mouth without knowing the particulars of this fellow's; State, Age, Experience, Education/Training Level.

This could be a couple of high-school kids who saw a Sally Struthers commercial about learning to be a "gunsmith/locksmith/security guard/or get your GED for home" and want to become entrepreneurs... without doing anything themselves… like research…
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Postby Shrub » 31 Mar 2007 11:14

I think a lot of you would be supprised just how many lockies are reformed theives especially car crime to car lockie,

Im not speaking from experiance but if you are in a place where there is no licensing laws (your ip is interesting but i cant work out where your from) you should be fine but i suggest you dont mention the record or else the word will spread and also make sure you have a proper written agreement that says if he goes back to it you get the full business and the same in the case of him gogin to jail,

If you are in a place that requires licensing you need to get the forms and look in to it, they will either ask for any convictions to be disclosed or not and once disclosed that may be that any way,

You simply dont know until you try and we cant help you until you tell us where you are,

What i will say is however that you have a lot of knowledge to gain and skills to learn along with an awful lot of money investment before you can even begin to think of trading,
Look around the locksmith buisness sections before you contiue in your plans,

If you are in the uk and looking at these courses that promise you to be a locksmith in 4 days earning £2k a week then STOP what your doing, dont give up the day job and do a lot of research first because they are con artists,
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Postby maxxed » 31 Mar 2007 11:27

The first thing to check on is insurance, liability, and bonding, these are required for business in many areas. If you fail to qualify for either then look at other options.
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Postby jimmysmith » 31 Mar 2007 16:52

I have check on that same thing in my area. Oregon. I was told that you must have clear conduct for 11 years beofre you are able to be a locksmith or tow truck driver.
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Postby unjust » 2 Apr 2007 13:22

any number of black skills folks have gone white. it's -very- common in comp security as youths poking around adn testing the waters end up discovering that the more exciting stuff is keeping baddies otu rather than getting in, and i'm aware of several comp security firms that maintain a blackhat training methodology in controled environs.
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Postby unjust » 2 Apr 2007 13:23

to further elaborate on that, lock smithing is really a black skill.

-making- a lock which is from where the profession arose, is the white skill, the bypass of it is black, even when used for good.
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Postby Raccoon » 2 Apr 2007 13:51

This question has been asked before. Simple answer: A former armed bank robber in the US is now a successful locksmith and even made the newspapers.
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