"Trade Mark Wally"?

[scorpiac]

"TRADE|WALLY|MARK"

Just wondering if any of you have ever come across one of these padlocks before? I can't find any thing about it anywhere online... I got it at a flea market. It interested me because it looked kinda old and pretty heavy duty. The key has "Trade Mark Wally" on one side and what looks to be Italian on the other side "Garanzia Di Securezza" and a large "W". Anyway this is the only lock I own that I haven't even been able to open once. I have no problem dealing with spool or even "Sporated" pins as in my American 5200 or my Brinks shrouded. With a couple of gentle strokes with the w-rake or as some like to say "batman" rake the plug turns a couple of degrees into a false set but the difference here is at that point there is no push back on the tension wrench. I can actually completely release all tension and push up on each pin individually and no turn back at all! Any advice? I can try to get a decent pic of the keyway if anyone is interested but my camera is just a web cam and it sucks. Oh, I almost forgot it is also stamped along one side or edge of it with "F 3 S 2"

[Shrub]

Hmmm interesting one there,

I take it spp results in the same as raking?

Is there any marks on the key that may suggest that theres another pin or somthing that needs manipulation before the lock will open,


I also take it that you have tried useing some force to open the lock after the plug has turned? sometimes the tension excerted by a wrench is far less than the key excerts so a screw driver or such like may often have to be used on a padlock due to its strong springs,

I take it the lock works fine? otherwise it could be seized up and just need a soaking in wd-40 but make sure you clean it out afterwards,

[scorpiac]

Hmmm interesting one there,

I take it spp results in the same as raking?

Yes, spp gives the same results.

Is there any marks on the key that may suggest that theres another pin or somthing that needs manipulation before the lock will open,

No, the key appears to be a normal 5 pin key.

I also take it that you have tried useing some force to open the lock after the plug has turned? sometimes the tension excerted by a wrench is far less than the key excerts so a screw driver or such like may often have to be used on a padlock due to its strong springs,

Yes, I've tried plenty of force as I have had that problem with my master 930 ( always think it is in a false set when it is actually picked and I am not turning hard enough to open it.)

I take it the lock works fine? otherwise it could be seized up and just need a soaking in wd-40 but make sure you clean it out afterwards,

The lock works fine with the key, takes a strong turn but works smothly and doesn't feel as though it is sticking at all.

[Shrub]

Could be serated but it doesnt sound like it,

I dont know the lock and probably someone on here will so i will have to bow out on giving hap hazard stabs in the dark as it doesnt sound like its goign to help you as im sure youve tried everything,

That said,

Have you tried overlifting the pins and letting them drop back down to set?

When you put tension on and push the pins do they click?

When the plug is false set and you push the pins, can you push the pins until they stop or are they stopped sooner than you would have thought? this could mean long top pins with a long spool undercut,

Any chance of a key pic?

[scorpiac]

No, I haven't tried overlifting. These are the best pics of the key I could get. Maybe I'm just not hitting that really short pin second from the back in the lock that's hiding behind the really long pin in front of it. I don't think I'm oversetting the long one but I may not be getting the short one high enough. I've been using a pretty slender home made deforest style pick (my favorite pick for almost everything but seems especially well suited to this situation with the short pin behind a long one.)

[Schuyler]

Have you given it a thorough cleaning at some point?

[Shrub]

Could be dirt as Schuler is im sure thinking or even parts rubbing together if you have no lube in there,

Other than that i guess you arent setting the pins properly,

I wouldnt expect the key to be stiff to turn,

[scorpiac]

Could be dirt as Schuler is im sure thinking or even parts rubbing together if you have no lube in there,

Other than that i guess you arent setting the pins properly,

I wouldnt expect the key to be stiff to turn,

You guys are probably right. I have never cleaned it. I think it's probably a bit of both dirt and not getting that short pin set right. As far as the key being stiff It is a bit but I was more referring to the amount of turning pressure it takes to overcome the spring pressure on the plug. I've also just noticed the spring pressure on the plug lessens quite a bit when you press in on the shackle. The shackle really opens with quite a snap when opening with the key (strong spring).

[Legion303]

"Garanzia Di Securezza"

"Guaranteed security," but that was probably obvious...

-steve

[scorpiac]

Thanks, thats what I figured it said but is it in Italian?

[scorpiac]

Thanks, thats what I figured it said but is it in Italian?

Spanish?

[NIC]

italian!!

[Chucklz]

Italian.

[Shrub]

Italian.

[Schuyler]

fritalian