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by Stray » 7 Apr 2007 23:39
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by DiamondHead.exe » 9 Apr 2007 1:28
I saw the picture of the revolver with the lock on it and almost laughed out loud. The thing with a revolver is u can pull the hammer back and as long as it doesn't go all the way it wont lock in place, it can still hit the firing cap of the bullet. Basically, allowing you to shoot just like in the good old cowboy days by pulling the hammer back with your hand and releasing. So much for safety? yay texans!
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by NIC » 9 Apr 2007 9:13
DiamondHead.exe wrote:I saw the picture of the revolver with the lock on it and almost laughed out loud. The thing with a revolver is u can pull the hammer back and as long as it doesn't go all the way it wont lock in place, it can still hit the firing cap of the bullet. Basically, allowing you to shoot just like in the good old cowboy days by pulling the hammer back with your hand and releasing. So much for safety? yay texans!
Unless someone tells me i'm wrong? You can't pull the hammer if the lock is on the gun!! Because when you pull the hammer, the trigger backs up a bit !! And the lock keeps the trigger from moving.
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by DiamondHead.exe » 10 Apr 2007 1:58
I'm not so sure about that, but i may be wrong, there of course will be different makes and models that do require the trigger to be able to move, in order to counter my previous post. And after around 5 minutes of research, HowStuffWorks.com was able to come to my rescue. http://science.howstuffworks.com/revolver2.htm
When you pull the trigger in the flash movie, it shows that the trigger primes the hammer, but that the hammer may be primed independently of the trigger. But, it would require you, the user, to manually turn the cylinder to shoot the next shot.
Still, kinda pointless with a gun lock on a revolver, i agree with Schuyler, a barrel cable lock would do more good.
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by Knows-Picker » 10 Apr 2007 11:01
not trying to split hairs here, and maybe on different guns it won't work, but on my smith and wesson 357 when my trigger lock is installed(VERY similar to the one in the picture) you can NOT pull back the hammer at all. It will move less than 1/4" before it gets locked up by the trigger lock. Mayber on cheaper guns, or more expensive guns.... I don't know but not on a smith and wesson. Just thought I would give some first hand insight to the debate.
I hear what you are saying.....that doesn't mean I agree with you....Just that I am nodding my head to placate you and silence your futile attempts to win the argument.
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by raimundo » 10 Apr 2007 11:14
dont revolvers have a half _, (detente) and its necessary for the trigger to be pulled to get past that,
Question, why do handguns have the halfcock position, my idea is that it was left over from the first saftys, that were put on repeating weapons, that its there to prevent the gun going off in the holster or whatever.
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by UWSDWF » 10 Apr 2007 11:21
depends if it's a single double or tripple action revolver
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by DiamondHead.exe » 10 Apr 2007 19:09
I feel the tingle of the birth of GunSmithing101.com
no one else getting that vibe ?
fine...
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by Stray » 10 Apr 2007 19:49
Everyone is also missing the idea that you don't lock up a gun while it's loaded... (especially since a trigger lock does occasionally move and there have been people who have shot themselves accidentally while they were installing a trigger lock on a loaded gun...)
Also I believe "cowboy style" still requires you to hold down the trigger... just instead of repeatedly pulling the trigger you pull back the hammer ...
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by CompFX » 11 Apr 2007 19:42
I have a .45 Caliber semi auto Ruger (P-90). I use a trigger lock and I put a cable lock through the barrel and one through the handle where the clip goes. Then the gun and locks are all in a gun case that has 2 padlocks on it. All the amo is in another double locked case and the two cases are located in different parts of the house. This is the only way I could get the gun in the house. I have 4 children ranging from 2 months to 5 years old; and my wife is not much fond of guns to start with. Obviously mine is for sport and not protection. It would take me all of 10 minutes to round up all the keys, the gun and amo.
The worst part about all these gun locks is the fact they they do not have any security pins in them what so ever. All of them can easily be picked with bobby pins and needles.
My semi auto can be fired with just the trigger lock in place. This is something I field tested to see how far I needed to go with the gun locks to be absolutely sure that if any of my children found my gun, they would not be able to fire it.
My best advice to people with guns and children, if they dont know you have it, they wont go looking for it. Also; do not stash your gun in the same place you stash their presents or their toys (when they are taken away as punishment) !!!

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by raimundo » 12 Apr 2007 11:53
aparently you cant say kocked with a c, it gets caught in the filters. So anyway, UDWSF whats trippple action? do they have one now that aims for you?
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by Stray » 12 Apr 2007 22:02
Maybe he meant triple lock?
The best way to make sure kids don't go playing with your gun isn't hiding it. It is teaching them young about it and Its dangers.
I have been around rifles and pistols as long as I can remember. If you turn guns into a taboo subject it will just make kids more interested in them. And would you rather your kid looking at it behind your back, or him asking you if you can show him the gun? If you take the time to talk to them about guns and safety, then even if the situation ever arises that they are around a firearm unsupervised, they will atleast know what a gun is. (Even if you lock up your guns who says your son's friend's father does? ) Information Is the best way to prevent gun accidents. Start them young and gun safety will become second nature to them.
It is like alcohol. People who have been brought up with the Idea that alcohol is the devil, Will most likely abuse it.
It is the interest in the taboo that gets us in trouble. What was the first thing that got you interested in lock picking? The challenge or the fact that it is a subject that isn't usually taught outside of the locksmith and intelligence community?
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by Chucklz » 12 Apr 2007 22:55
I've had a rather long conversation with Marc Tobias about trigger locks. From what he impressed upon me, these locks are simply not safe for a disturbingly large number of firearms. Some are even trivially removed.
If you are in the States, your local police may provide free cable locks.
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by raimundo » 13 Apr 2007 14:00
yep, and the cable either goes through the barrel and out the breach, or it goes through the clip housing thus keeping the clip out and the bolt from closing, the cable can be cut with a small cable cutter or a sharp dykes, not secure except from children
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