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List of security pins in locks.

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

Postby What » 20 Jan 2007 3:48

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Postby 11mike11 » 26 Jan 2007 19:37

Well just took my America 1105 apart and thought i'd share the insides

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Postby cosmith » 12 Mar 2007 17:39

Ok, I am pretty new to this, but I figure I have to learn somewhere. So, are all "irregular" pins considered security pins? (eg. is the term "security" pin a general catagory of driver pin, or of a specific shape?) Also, from someone who has not attempted anything but the easiest locks, what makes a spool pin, or a serrated pin difficult to pick? I imagine they would cause a bunch of false sets...

My first post! Yipee!
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Postby 11mike11 » 12 Mar 2007 20:13

I had gone to a locksmith store and looked at all the locks on the wall and then asked what locks have security pins in them. He showed me the medeco locks and said they had them and that was it (yea right im going to buy a medeco :P) so i kept asking him and trying to explain myself about the serrated pins and spool pins (he was giving me a weird look after this, "spool pin? whats that" ). I finally got what i was after and bought a lock with 'security' pins in it.
the point of the story i guess is to show that some people don't see them as security pins but on the forums everyone calls them security pins (serrated, spooled..)... and i just wanted to share the story :P

and yes spools cause the lock to fasle set, and serrated makes you think you've found the binding pin when in fact you havnt
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Postby cosmith » 12 Mar 2007 20:39

Thanks a bunch! What about other security pins I have heard about?(mushroom?) Any others? When people post pictures of pins, could they talk about the challenges of picking them?
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Postby cjames73 » 24 Mar 2007 7:22

this is my CISA 280/55
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a close up of the pins...
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Postby samfishers » 18 Apr 2007 16:50

no kiding i wasent able to pick my master 140 when i decided to start, man that is sure hard

but could you post the pin image and the name that is related, cause i sometimes dont get it, like serated and spools and...

cool
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Postby JackNco » 18 Apr 2007 17:00

what do you mean the different types of security pins?
Spool - Looks like an I on profile
Mushroom - you figure it out
Serrated - Groves cut in the pins usually no wider than they are deep.

You will also find serrated spools and various other tricks like compensated drivers and pins that are cut thinner on the ends. I describe them as "Negative" spools, im sure they have a technical name but i don't know it.
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Postby Jaakko » 18 Apr 2007 17:19

samfishers wrote:but could you post the pin image and the name that is related, cause i sometimes dont get it, like serated and spools and...

Try Google Image with keyword like "serrated pin", "spool pin" and "mushroom pin". Gives nice and clear pictures, so you should understand what they are. Your welcome :)
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any pin

Postby raimundo » 19 Apr 2007 11:14

any pin that is not a solid cylinder, but has cuts or other modifications on it to increase the difficulty of picking is called a 'security' pin,
go back to the first page of photos of pins, and look at what parapilot posted, I think it was the tri circle security pins, then look at the first pin on the left, where the mushroom end is, it appears to have filled that groove with some accretion of grease and possible metal scrapings cut from the keyway by a sharp pick tool. now the first photo of pins by the OP showed some damage on the ends of the bottom pins, the trycircle pins show one of the ways that this kind of damage might interfere with the security function of these pins simply by being where it is.
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Postby Afisch » 19 Apr 2007 11:28

Strange question, but is there really any reason other than price for not using a security pin? I spose im just wondering why every pin isnt a security pin.
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Postby samfishers » 20 Apr 2007 7:19

thanx for the hint
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Postby NIC » 2 May 2007 8:51

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Postby cjames73 » 2 May 2007 9:01



never knew Kryptonite would have so many security pins :shock:

i'll have to get myself one to try now.
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Postby NIC » 2 May 2007 9:23

Don't waste your money !!! Get yourself a American (1105,5200) , just something cheaper. I paid 45$CAN for it, and it has the same cylinder has an American 1105.
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