Bulleted locks

[keyman]

I live in Walsall West Midlands ,Willenhall is in Walsall so guess what ,years ago alot of locks used to go walkies from the factories and find themselves on the workers front doors ,oh lucky me lol

[Simon Payne]

For warded blanks get the Gibbons 970 series G through to L.

[xorb]

Haha! I knew something Shrub didn't know!!!!

Sorry Shrub.

Although In reference to the old 'church' locks, I came across a house today with ornate copper rim locks, beautiful engraved. Quite rare, the doors must have been about 100 years old, oak and no rot. EVERYBODY BUY OAK DOORS!!!!!

[Shrub]

NO dont everybody buy oak doors,

I love them but they are a pain on the chisels


Im sure most of you know stuff related to locksmithing and lockpicking i dont know, i just come across as knowing a fair bit because i try to help out so often,

I have a wonderful thing i dont think kids today have and thats common sence mixed with the ability to be a very good problem solver this means no job is too big or too small,
Ring now on 01......


Problem is i think because the way i come across no-one challenges me when im wrong so i never learn myself which is a bit of a pain as i have to make a lot of effort to keep up with recent advances,

[ponsaloti]

xorb, if you can get yourself an old or new mortice key catalogue (sks), you will after initial confussion, glean much information from it.

[Al]

Unlike pin locks there isnt a set definate list of meanings and parts available for lever locks in the public domain that isnt 100 years old or made by someone in the us having never seen a lever lock before,

Encyclopedia of Locks and Builders Hardware by Butters/Josiah Parkes 1958 - should be required reading for all locksmiths.

Encyclopedia For Locksmiths by M Friend. Current and updated. http://www.locksmithsbooks.com/buy%20a%20book.htm

Standard names and descriptions are also published on various locksmiths forums.

[Shrub]

Sorry i meant public domain as in on the net and locksmith forums arent in the public domain,

Ive got most books but just dont have time to read them right now and knowing the name of a part of a key on an old fashioned lock isnt high on my priority list,

But i aprechiate the advice,

[Shrub]

Ps, saw Micks book at Telford and wasnt supprised that no-one visited the stand while i was there, i dont rate it for the money at all but do have the one that he copied it off written by Frank Butter,

[toomush2drink]

That could be close to slanderous if untrue, to say someone has copied a book.Considering micks stature in the lock world i think that is a poor thing to say.We are talking about a guy who has been in this trade for years and deserves a little respect surely ?

Read the encylopedia of locks and builders hardware, its a great reference and not just about old key parts.

[Shrub]

The book is openly sold with the description of being an updated version of the older book written by Frank Butters,

I dont think thats slander i think its simply repeating the sales litriture,

Reading it back i think i might have just written it wrongly, i didnt mean its been ripped off illegally or anything,



I agree i should look at the locks and builders hardware book,

[ponsaloti]

Shrub,you say no-one challenges you when your wrong so you dont learn, well I was asked to pass this lesson on to you ( dont shoot the mesenger).
Shrub - actually what you have written is slander - however I accept your later retraction. I do not have access to this site as I fail to meet the posting criterea - and the ritual slagging off of posts is not my thing - help or shut up, that's my motto.
The book was 5 years in research and took hundreds of hours to write, hence the cost. The old book by my hero Francis Butter was my inspiration. The update is taking just as long.
Your not being able to name parts from old locks is a sign of the times and in fact bullet warded locks are still made by many today.
Should you be trading as a locksmith then verbal and written communication with fellow locksmiths and suppliers- Some of your posts are very informative but are difficult to understand by your poor terminology - maybe more time in research and less ridiculing fellow members would be a great use of your time.
Back to my book its was updated from a 50 year old copy and was up to date when published - the termonology is now accepted as the industry standard.
mick@locksmithsbooks.com is my e-mail please feel free to contact me I welcome your input
Mick Friend FBLI current holder of the Chubb award

[lockey1963]

I have to say that mick friends book is a valuable reference for any serious locksmith, too many today believe all it takes to call yourself a locksmith is to be able to drill or to pick the odd lock!

All locksmiths should know the basics of lock terminology at the very least, all should know and understand the lock and key fully, past and present.

[nhughz]

I'd have to agree Mick's book is an excellent reference. He has always been approachable and helpful so let's show a little repect.

[p team]

Shrub have always respected what you have to say but this time i get the feeling that some thing personal is going on here.This is not the place for it.Excellent book written by a top class man.

[Mark A]

I have to agree with the previous few posts, and think that negative comments about a well respected publication are neither valid nor helpful.

Mick is always prepared to share his knowledge and is always helpful.

The Encylopedia for locksmiths contains a wealth of information and many locksmiths may well be surprised on reading it to discover just how much more there is to learn.

Mark