Just a question

[Mackay]

Hi, which lock(s) would you install on the main door of a warehouse that is protecting money for example, i mean which brand would you choose?

This question is purely out of curiosity.

[Eyes_Only]

You'll get a different answer from different people for this kind of question but I would go for a Medeco. They are bump proof and very very time consuming and difficult to pick. They're UL listed with anti-drill protection like most other high security locks so they can withstand quite a bit of brute force attacks as well. This would also depend on what area of the country you live in. I think in Europe Medeco is not readily available as locks like DOM, Mul-T-Lock or ASSA which are also all very fine locks.

[freakparade3]

Hi, which lock(s) would you install on the main door of a warehouse that is protecting money for example, i mean which brand would you choose?

This question is purely out of curiosity.

Of all the things to wake up curious about this seems a little odd. A big lock would be preferred. As well as many large armed guards and mean hungry dogs. I'd throw a few crocodiles in a moat also, just for effect.

[DaveAG]

For protecting money I'd want something electronic.

A warehouse storing money would sound like a bank cash centre to me, one was robbed in Northern Ireland not that long ago. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4117219.stm)

There, the robbers abducted bank employees families and those with the codes/keys/authorisation chose to give away £26.5million of somebody elses money, rather than have their family executed. In protecting such an establishment the most likely threat is your own employees whether they are the criminals, or are under duress.

I would have an electronic system set to fail secure, LOTS of CCTV cameras, heavy duty doors, a high quality alarm, 24hour security guards, concrete barriers preventing vehicles getting too close, and high quality pick proof locks in addition to the electronic system.

Electronic systems would allow you to have the requirements that:

1.) More than one employee is required to open the doors
2.) Each employee with access requires a card, a key, and a PIN
3.) Each employee has 2 PINs. One opens the door normally, the other opens the door, sounds an alarm in the remote security office and indicates the employee is being forced to open up rather than wanting to.
4.) Employees could be limited in the hours they are allowed to enter, automatically being barred when they have booked holiday, not allowing certain people in after hours etc.
5.) Finally, electronic systems allow an audit log to be kept, so if money does go missing you know which cards were used.

Nobody should simply store millions in a box with a key, no matter how thick the box and how pickproof the key is. Even if it were possible to build a safe that could only ever be opened with the correct code/key (which is impossible to build), the key/code holder may find themselves tortured to gain access if the reward to the criminals is high enough. Typically such large quantities of money are held by institutions or companies.


How many keyholders for a bank branch would be prepared to see their family killed, or be tortured to death to save somebody else's money?

[UWSDWF]

First I'd start by approaching building structure and the door material it's self... not much good a super lock is gonna do when they punch in a window, tear down the door or cut a hole in the wall or roof

[Mackay]

haha, you'd be surprised how unsecure such a place is at night.

I once did work experience in a bank and the safe was only about 1m by 1m and the key that unlocked it was about 9inches long...

try and pick that

[UWSDWF]

with the proper tools sure... heck a good set of <CENSORED>

and this has what to do with the price of eggs in eastern mongolia?

[Shrub]

Hi, which lock(s) would you install on the main door of a warehouse that is protecting money for example, i mean which brand would you choose?

This question is purely out of curiosity.

If its the one near me use a Kwikset


Your better off finding what locks are sold locally as we could reccomend a lock thats hard for you to get and cant be opened or serviced by anyone,
At least a locl dealer can service the locks and replace when neccasary,

[Jaakko]

Pfffht, your Medecos and such...have you ever heard from Abloy That is the definition of bump-proof

[Shrub]

Jaakko, with respect i do like the abloy's and do think they are secure but i notice you always suggest them,

I have to tell you that the abloys can be broken far easier than a medeco can be, both destructively and by picking so dont be so quick to shoot other makers down with the belief that the abloy is indesructable as its not and far from it as matter of fact

[Mackay]

How do you tell what lock your buying? been to hardware shop and it dont say nothing bout 5 pin tumbler or cylinder or wafer, what does all this mean? how do i tell the diffrence, and when you say tension, is that the name of a the pick tool or do you mean tension as in pressure?

[Jaakko]

Jaakko, with respect i do like the abloy's and do think they are secure but i notice you always suggest them,

That was meant to be little sarcastic but as always I screwed it up The reason why I basically always suggest Abloy for this and Abloy for that (and Abloy up my..) is simple: You can't get ahold of any other locks nearly at all in here, except for Abus padlocks and all te 5 cent a piece Chinese padlocks

I have to tell you that the abloys can be broken far easier than a medeco can be

I haven't had the time yet to explore Medeco but I know atleast ten different Abloy's products that unlock with single 2mm drill hole to the face of the lock, but as it is not NDE method, I will not discuss about it any more than I have already mentioned.

, both destructively and by picking so dont be so quick to shoot other makers down with the belief that the abloy is indesructable as its not and far from it as matter of fact

I know that the Classic can be manipulated open with a special tool (not ready yet), but the Profile, Exec and Protec has given alot of head banging to the wall right next to me I will not say that they can't be opened non destructively, but haven't heard or seen anyone to actually do it. And if someone can, I'm sure Abloy would be very interested in a demo

[SmokieD]

Electronic lock like what was mentioned before. A good alarm system which activates when the door is opened, glass is broken, loud noises or vibrations come from around the building. If it is cash a nighttime secuirty guard might be used in some instances

[DaveAG]

Also for cash I'd suggest (if possible) recording the serial numbers on the notes as they come in and go out.

In one of the largest cash robberys (the northern bank one) the bank cancelled the entire series of the notes stolen and reprinted with a different design. Those with the old style notes could get them exchanged at banks upon form filling in and ID checks etc, thus making it a lot harder for the theives to spend their ill-gotten gains.

[raimundo]

DaveG has it mostly right, as to having employees with two pin numbers to enter the building, what chance is there of an employee remembering that never used number when under pressure. there are several methods, for example, the emergency number could be just a single number added at the end of the pin string, or it could be a system like use the number backwards or add 1 to each number, subtract 3 from the first number etc. One thing that he failed to mention, is that there should be an obscure locked door that the employees never see opened, it could be in a room only the honchos freely use, and hidden in there would be a duplicate recorder of the videos, leaving a video recorder for the thieves to destroy, or it could attempt to send the video to a remote location, but when can you trust the internet to work right in a pinch? Of course someone would have to service the second recording equipment, put in new dvd'r's etc, but this would have to be the responsiblity of only two people who know it exists, (two because of sickness, vacation etc) finally, treat your employees with respect, most of the inside robberies come from disgruntled employees punching back, if the managers are paranoid control freeks who disrespect the people they lead, you will have trouble.