Kwikset Problem

[Tygart]

I bought a Single Cylinder Rim latch, By Defender with a Kwikset key way.

Pin #5 the firt pin you can see, I think is a spool. But I thought that older Kwiksets did not have spools?

If I have a little too much tention that pin will not move at all. Let off a little and press it the plug will turn a little (Spool right) Then I get a low false setting.

Any Ideas

Tygart

[Eyes_Only]

A lot of newer kwikset locks now use 2 or 3 spool pins in them, noteably the Ultramax model so any newer lock that uses kwikset keyway may do the same thing. But most of these locks with the KW1 keyway tends to have very sloppy tolerances so compared to locks like Schlage, it is much easier. The only tip I can offer is once you feel you have snagged a spool pin, try to raise it while keeping light but firm tension on the plug because it will counter rotate as you try to bypass the spool.

[freakparade3]

I bought a Single Cylinder Rim latch, By Defender with a Kwikset key way.
Pin #5 the firt pin you can see, I think is a spool. But I thought that older Kwiksets did not have spools?
Tygart

Just because it uses a Kwikset keyway does not mean it follows the Kwikset brand by not using security pins. I have a Brinks deadbolt that uses a KW1 keyway, it has spools in it. Take it apart and see if it's a security pin.

[Tygart]

Ok thanks guys.. I guess I go hunt down somthing I can use for a Plug follower.

[Eyes_Only]

A deep 9mm socket is a good susbtitute for a professional plug follower. It's about the right size and it'll work for most locks, especially for Kwiksets type locks you can find in your local hardware store.

[Tygart]

Here is the lock

[freakparade3]

I have a lock very similar to that. Neat to play with because they are adjustable for different doors, but I would bet their are no security pins in that lock.

[Squelchtone]

I love the warding. I think I can put my tension wrench in at least 5 different places =)

[Kaotik]

I love the warding. I think I can put my tension wrench in at least 5 different places =)

And still have enought room for just about any pick.

Tygart, nice photo's. Did you get that new camera you were talking to me about to take them?

[Tygart]

No I don't have the new camera yet. I just need to find a job. The camera runs $1,400 and that is with the kit lens, I want a bigger one.

I am trying to get over a cold or what ever I have, then ill go find a way to mount this lock. Then it will be easier to pick.


Tygart

[SlingsVaqueros]

That looks like an SE1/AR1 keyway, not a KW1. I wonder if that's the same factory that makes the Franklin locks I see in Home Depots. It's a pretty common cheap DYI style of lock sold in almost every hardware store in the US.

That style, along with it's many clones, are cheap enough to not worry about breaking, but they are made with loose enough tolerances that they can be more difficult to pick than the standard Kwikset. The Defiant line of junk locks are in the same catagory with the KW1 keyway, but they are garbage and are so loose that the whole lock rattles...

[SlingsVaqueros]

Ooops, nevermind the SE1/AR1 comment. I am mistaken, upon closer examination.

[Tygart]

Ooops, nevermind the SE1/AR1 comment. I am mistaken, upon closer examination.

You mean by reading the box??

[SmokieD]

How many pins does it have 5 or 6.. If 6 its an Ultramax and they always have (everyone Ive seen) 3 spools along with 3 regular.

[Tygart]

It is a Kwikset Key Way