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Postby Shrub » 20 Apr 2007 13:01

Jaakko wrote: yada yada yada


Listen im just about to disapear for a while but we will talk via pm when im back because i think i can a) open your eyes about somethings and b) you can open my eyes about somethings :wink:
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Postby UWSDWF » 20 Apr 2007 13:05

Shrub wrote:
Jaakko wrote: yada yada yada


Listen im just about to disapear for a while but we will talk via pm when im back because i think i can a) open your eyes about somethings and b) you can open my eyes about somethings :wink:

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Postby Squelchtone » 20 Apr 2007 14:34

Jaakko wrote:that unlock with single 2mm drill hole to the face of the lock, but as it is not NDE method,


I was just about to ask you if it includes **censored** the **censored** and then I realized this post isn't located in the advanced section. check your PM, I think I have an idea about the 2mm hole.

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Postby Chucklz » 20 Apr 2007 17:07

I have to ask; How much money are we talking about? If you are storing 10k in company cash your requirements are vastly different then if you have 7 figures worth of bills to store for the Fed.
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Postby Charodei » 21 Apr 2007 0:19

A recent example of robberies being inside jobs. A worker for the Boston public transit system who serviced/repaired fare-vending machines had a habit of taking the cash and tokens in them. He garnished at least $40,000 over the years, and was only caught now because of a new fare system and added security cameras.
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Postby Mackay » 22 Apr 2007 8:28

Can someone please answer my question :cry:

How do you tell what lock your buying? been to hardware shop and it dont say nothing bout 5 pin tumbler or cylinder or wafer, what does all this mean? how do i tell the diffrence, and when you say tension, is that the name of a the pick tool or do you mean tension as in pressure?
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Postby DaveAG » 22 Apr 2007 12:39

Generally for medium to high security applications you will buy a branded product, and thus you know what the mechanism is (or could find out).

Wafer locks typically have a wide keyway, are normally found as switches or on equiptment cases, and you can often see the front wafer.

http://www.millerdial.com/cam-locks-switch-locks.shtml/Cam-Lock/images/p_050301_07539.jpg

Pin tumbler locks are what many people think of as locks. Popular world wide.

http://www.crypto.com/papers/notes/picking/s-2faceandside.jpg

Disc tumbler locks (some people call Wafer locks this as well) are based around the principle of rotating discs. Used in high security applications, typically have very open keyway

http://www.lockingsystems.com/images/Abloy%20Vend%20Both.jpg

Lever locks are an old technology (patented in the 1700s), but some can be very high security indeed. The stereotypical keyhole is used with lever locks.

http://www.1st-net-lock-museum.com/fl1r.jpg
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Postby Mackay » 23 Apr 2007 9:19

Cheers Dave, now I understand the diffrence
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Postby scissor83 » 4 May 2007 11:14

I would install a medeco because they take so much time to pick and not to mention that they are bump proof. You could also go with Abloy. And for the heck of it also put a tubular lock because they take so much time to pick unless you have a tubular pick! :wink:
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Postby hellbent1979 » 4 May 2007 17:23

medeco or the new electronic mul t lock
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Postby hesevil » 4 May 2007 18:18

Kaba Mas (old Mas-Hamilton) electronic combination or keypads. They are used in the NSA and there are some very spanky models.

Get this guy http://www.mas-hamilton.com/a.php?page=x-09_cdx-09
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Postby Kaellman » 5 May 2007 6:05

raimundo wrote:treat your employees with respect, most of the inside robberies come from disgruntled employees punching back, if the managers are paranoid control freeks who disrespect the people they lead, you will have trouble.


Very good point. Also when installning the security system, make sure you have the right ppl doing it. Always ask for lisence or make sure your employees or co-workers do. Someone might bribe the locksmith to take a walk and let them do the job instead, who knows. I would check the building sorroundings aswell. Whats underneath the room? Whats on top etc?
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Postby HeadHunterCEO » 8 May 2007 6:05

Folger Adams detention locks and doors with rolling LCD display keypads.
deal with the walls ceiling and floor.
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