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Brinks - Unpickable to me

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Brinks - Unpickable to me

Postby lockpicker9386 » 4 May 2007 1:26

I have picked many locks around the house and outside the house and they are very easy. I have picked a plethra of locks but this one that i bought from walmart has got my ass beat. If anyone has picked this particular lock and can give some pointers, feel free. And yes, I know that it has security pins. I have bipassed many security pin locks, but again this lock has got me beat.

http://www.lockpeople.com/brinks/Produc ... 20Padlocks

Thank You
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Postby NIC » 4 May 2007 8:39

First of all, you should of used the search!! You can find plenty of information on the brinks you're talking about!! Even on the same page has this one !!

To pick the brinks!! Get yourself a tension wrench that fits in the top of the keyway. Then rake the lock until you get a false set. (i can imagine Locknewbie21 smiling). Then go pin by pin and push up those spools!! Then close your eyes !!
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Postby Eyes_Only » 4 May 2007 8:41

This one I hear can be tricky. I've never picked it but from what I hear both the top and bottom pins are serrated. I put serrated drivers in most all of my standard locks I use for practice and it can be tricky at times. If you can try taking it apart and take a look at the pins stacks and analyze the serrations on each pins. That may give you a better idea of how far to push each pin stacks up before accidentally over setting the bottom pin.
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Postby NIC » 4 May 2007 8:43

You can't really take it apart!! Without drilling that is !!
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Postby hiaxis » 4 May 2007 9:13

NIC is right. I bought up this lock not too long ago and also had some trouble with it at first. Mine has 6 serrated bottom pins and 5 spool top pins but in my opinion, the spools make it easier to pick once you learn to feel for them.

Like he says, apply very gentle tension while raking until the plug moves a couple of degrees. This happens when one of the spool pins is false set. Then go pin by pin, feeling for the pin that feels like its already set. Lift that pin while paying close attention to your tension wrench. If you feel the plug trying to turn backwards while lifting the pin, you know you're on a spool. Let up on the tension ever so slightly while lifting the pin and it will set properly. Once you have the first pin set, do the others the same way, feeling for that reverse rotattion, and it will pop.

Good luck!
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Postby Axilithor » 4 May 2007 14:23

Why are serrated pins difficult? I feel mushroom pins because the tensionwrench comes back, but what do you feel when you have serrated pins?
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Postby lockpicker9386 » 4 May 2007 14:47

hiaxis wrote:NIC is right. I bought up this lock not too long ago and also had some trouble with it at first. Mine has 6 serrated bottom pins and 5 spool top pins but in my opinion, the spools make it easier to pick once you learn to feel for them.

Like he says, apply very gentle tension while raking until the plug moves a couple of degrees. This happens when one of the spool pins is false set. Then go pin by pin, feeling for the pin that feels like its already set. Lift that pin while paying close attention to your tension wrench. If you feel the plug trying to turn backwards while lifting the pin, you know you're on a spool. Let up on the tension ever so slightly while lifting the pin and it will set properly. Once you have the first pin set, do the others the same way, feeling for that reverse rotattion, and it will pop.

Good luck!
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Best advice, thank you. Just realized it is also a 6pin lock. Thought it was 5 pins because of the grooves in the key. However one of the grooves is so very small to tell that it is even a grove. Had to look on the package to see that it is 6 pins.

I will give it another shot as soon I get back from work (on lunch now).
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Follow Up

Postby lockpicker9386 » 5 May 2007 18:00

Well i bought a brinks max security brass lock. Much smaller and lighter. Same thing with the pins, however I was able to pick it a few times. Took awhile, but got it. I try the same thing on the lock described above and still nothing. thing is ridiculous.
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Re: Follow Up

Postby NIC » 5 May 2007 18:57

lockpicker9386 wrote:Well i bought a brinks max security brass lock. Much smaller and lighter. Same thing with the pins, however I was able to pick it a few times. Took awhile, but got it. I try the same thing on the lock described above and still nothing. <censored> thing is ridiculous.
play with the tension while you're raking, you should get a false set !! When you will get it, you will really feel it. The brinks turns alot!!
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False Set

Postby lockpicker9386 » 6 May 2007 9:34

Every time I get a false set, I try to go back and single out the security pins. I can get the one in the front easily. But the one right after gives me problems. Soon as I even touch the second security pin it decides to reset the front pin, and resets back to the beginning sometimes.
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mult spools

Postby raimundo » 6 May 2007 9:41

think about it, you cannot get the false set spool indication if a full profile pin still stands between plug and cylinder, and in locks with multi spools, you may not get the false set indication until several may be false set, so when you do get this indication, you test all the pins until you get the reverse effect, this means only that the most binding spool is setting, when this happens, you may still have a spool on the shear, and continued testing of the pins will set this as well but with less reverse effect indicating. never the less, brinks are not high precision cores, the tolerance is somewhat loose and with light tension and sensitive picking everyone gets them, you will too, and when you do snap it shut right away and do it again, it will probably come again in a minute or two.
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Postby Jolly Rodgers » 6 May 2007 17:45

grr i hate this lock too. bought it 2 or 3 weeks ago and tried it a few times. but now im waiting for my commercial picks to come in befor i do anything. i know ill get it eventually
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Postby lockpicker9386 » 7 May 2007 0:56

Turns out that this lock has both serrated top and bottom pins. I have heard from a few that it is very rare to find in a lock and that it is the most difficult. Tyler DeSchryver jokingly said in his video "thats when you get the bolt cutters..................... and cut...... the lock, hehe"
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Postby bumpit » 7 May 2007 4:53

Turns out that this lock has both serrated top and bottom pins. I have heard from a few that it is very rare to find in a lock and that it is the most difficult. Tyler DeSchryver jokingly said in his video "thats when you get the bolt cutters..................... and cut...... the lock, hehe"


Did you seriously not read any of the posts above.

Mine has 6 serrated bottom pins and 5 spool top pins but in my opinion, the spools make it easier to pick once you learn to feel for them.


We know it has serrated top and bottom pins because someone already said it. Read a post you make. People take time out of their day to help you and you don't even read it. Sory but it is a pet peve of mine. Also we don't like destructive entry. If you are into that go buy thermite.
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Postby Shrub » 7 May 2007 7:07

Well said,
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