Do not duplicate?

[desert_gold_hound]

I am sure that there are many places that have this stamped on all their keys. How do they get them duplicated if all the keys have this stamped on them? What proff do you look for when they come in with such a request?

[cjames73]

stuff like this has been covered many times before, learn to use the search button

as i'm feeling generous i found 1 thread for you,
viewtopic.php?t=18118

[lunchb0x]

with our restricted systems on the file there are the names and signaturs of the people authorised to get keys cut, if anyone wants another key it has to be on their company letter head with the signature of one of the authorised people, also stating the name of the person picking the key up.

when someone comes to pick the key up they need their drivers licence or other photographic ID, without this they dont get a key.

[zeke79]

with our restricted systems on the file there are the names and signaturs of the people authorised to get keys cut, if anyone wants another key it has to be on their company letter head with the signature of one of the authorised people, also stating the name of the person picking the key up.

when someone comes to pick the key up they need their drivers licence or other photographic ID, without this they dont get a key.

I believe the OP was asking about kwiksets, schlages, best non restricted, etc which have the heads stamped DND. Restricted systems as you are talking about are much easier to control.

[WOT]

I am sure that there are many places that have this stamped on all their keys. How do they get them duplicated if all the keys have this stamped on them? What proff do you look for when they come in with such a request?

It depends on the key. If it's a patented key where manufacturer has specified contractually to not duplicate for anyone except the original system owner or its representative, you can't.

If it's just something with "DO NOT DUPLICATE", you just have to find someone who will.

[desert_gold_hound]

I am not looking to duplicate any just wonted to know how most locksmith tools go. As far as searching yes sorry I should do more searches.

[Eyes_Only]

I heard somewhere that you can just put tape around the bow of the key to hide the DND stamping and most locksmiths wont bother to check.

[WOT]

I am not looking to duplicate any just wonted to know how most locksmith tools go. As far as searching yes sorry I should do more searches.

You need a standard key machine, the original key and a blank. For most vanilla "Do not duplicate" key blanks, there is no restriction against making the blanks, so they're usually available from Kaba-Ilco whether the manufacturer of the lock the blank is intended to fit like it or not.

Once you have the blank, it's no different from copying a regular key.

[linty]

around here there is no laws enforcing DND, and our shop disregards it entirely. we deal in high security and key control, it's something you have to pay for.

[Raccoon]

I heard somewhere that you can just put tape around the bow of the key to hide the DND stamping and most locksmiths wont bother to check.

This is false.

There is a distinct difference between a locksmith and the pimply minimum-wage floor attendant at your hardware store. Locksmiths are professionals and highly trained at removing tape.

[DaveAG]

The problem that I see is twofold.

1.) Even if all the honest paid attention to Do Not Duplicate, the dishonest won't. If the blanks are on sale someone will cut you a duplicate.

2.) Most customers don't actually want "DO NOT DUPLICATE", they want "DO NOT DUPLICATE WITHOUT MY PERMISSION". With no registration cards etc anyone can claim the key is theirs and the locksmith/key-cutter doesn't know whether to believe them or not. If DND was honoured, the owners of the keys would be unable to get duplicates made from a DND stamped original.

I've heard of one kiosk that has a nice solution to the problem. They explain they won't duplicate a DND key, but will be happy to scratch out DND on the original first, then duplicate the key. The rightful owner typically wouldn't care about the defacement, but an employee "borrowing" keys over lunch would have problems if the managers keys left his desk stamped DND and returned stamped COPIED.

[Raccoon]

I LIKE THAT IDEA! Let me summarize:

Customer wants a copy of a DND key, with no practical means of identifying ownership.

Locksmith stamps COPIED over the DND before duplicating, disarming any covert acts of making unauthorized copies.

Hell, I'd do this without even asking the customer first. Let the person get in trouble if they weren't supposed to make a copy. Prevents them from just hitting up another shoppe and getting a covert copy after declining your services.

Another option-- I'd insist on keeping and destroying the original DND key, and offer to make them 2 copies on obviously generic blanks. Again, only as a last resort where a paper trail of authority cannot be made.

Too bad nobody makes a COPIED key stamp.

[WOT]

I LIKE THAT IDEA! Let me summarize:

Customer wants a copy of a DND key, with no practical means of identifying ownership.

Locksmith stamps COPIED over the DND before duplicating, disarming any covert acts of making unauthorized copies.

<censored>, I'd do this without even asking the customer first. Let the person get in trouble if they weren't supposed to make a copy. Prevents them from just hitting up another shoppe and getting a covert copy after declining your services.

Another option-- I'd insist on keeping and destroying the original DND key, and offer to make them 2 copies on obviously generic blanks. Again, only as a last resort where a paper trail of authority cannot be made.

Too bad nobody makes a COPIED key stamp.

and I would suspect YOU of trying to use the key for illicit purpose later on.

[Raccoon]

That was very crude, and I resent you for it. Piss off.

[WOT]

That was very crude, and I resent you for it. Piss off.

How would you feel if a locksmith try to talk you into letting him keep your original?