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Got some nice mortice locks, for free :-)

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Got some nice mortice locks, for free :-)

Postby RangerF150 » 7 May 2007 7:30

I was fitting some new locks to a door , and of course I stuck the old ones in the toolbox :-)

Pretty neat !

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Above the two locks, the one on the right has a removable "anti drill cover" .
It's an Ingersoll.
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The above lock, I think is a Chubb ??? It's got an alarm contact at the top :-)

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The above lock is the Ingersoll. It's got an unusual lever design....

Any info would be great :-)

I have yet to open them, as I don't have a lever pick that will cope with low levers, yet !!!
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Postby JackNco » 7 May 2007 8:18

very nice, free stuff always rules.
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Postby Shrub » 7 May 2007 8:22

Chubb 110, good luck picking that one its one of the hardest mortice locks to pick by hand but still very achieveable with a lot of practice,
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Postby NIC » 7 May 2007 8:26

Whats that plastic part in the middle picture? Actually, i'm wondering how that lock works compared to a more simpler lever lock ?
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Postby Shrub » 7 May 2007 8:40

The plastic bit is just part of the bolt throwing mechs,

The lock works in the same way as a normal lever lock works except the levers bend around the curtain area where most locks dont, the stump is then lower in the lock which is why the notches are on the edge of the levers so far down in the lock,

An interesting part to note here is the spring and how it folds up along the left hand innner edge of the levers,
This is because a decoding technique was found to work devastatingly well on this lock allowing them to be opened very quickly, John Falle found the weekness and exploited it so chubb retorted by makign this simple change rendering the opening process redundant over night,

Theres a few differant versions of the lock knocking around as its been around for quite a while now, unfortunatley it has not got the latest BS rating and chubb have not replaced it in its product range as of yet,

Ill let the others add in more of its history and special levers etc as ive just got called out,
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Postby ponsaloti » 7 May 2007 9:48

Nice locks, did tou put antthing as interesting in their place.
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Postby RangerF150 » 7 May 2007 10:15

ponsaloti wrote:Nice locks, did tou put antthing as interesting in their place.

No! Just replaced the Chubb with a standard Chubb 5 lever.
Blocked up the hole left behind by the Ingersoll, it was never used.

I've got five or six decent mortice locks off this one renovation job I'm on :-)
Mostly from doors being thrown into a skip!

Hard part is explaining to the guys I'm working with why I want all these old locks! They are mystified as to why I am always ripping locks off doors with no keys and are of "no use" !!!

I just say it's for parts , always handy to have :-)
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Postby RangerF150 » 7 May 2007 10:17

Opps !
Sorry Shrub, many thanks for the info, any more anyone can add would be great :-)

What's with the levers on the Ingersoll ?
Just being different for the sake of it ?

Thanks for all the input :-)
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Postby NKT » 7 May 2007 11:33

The Ingersoll and the Legge both use levers like that. Gives a very different feel to picking it. I think that's an M50 you've got there.

I wonder how good the hardplate is? Ingersoll are usually very tough.

As for the 110, the newest versions are rock hard even with the proper tools. I doubt you will ever pick it by hand, there are very few who can. The old lever packs were easier to decode, I find.
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Postby keyman » 9 May 2007 13:53

Hi Ranger the levers on the Ingersol are called sliding levers and are found on Legge Gibbons and even some Yale mortice locks they can be impressioned and picked with a curtain wheel pick the same as most lever locks .
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Postby keyman » 9 May 2007 13:59

If you look closely at the Ingersol lock you will notice that the bolt is laminated this is very hard to drill if you have to drill it when fitted to the right hand side of the door.

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Postby RangerF150 » 10 May 2007 2:04

Thanks keyman,
I never noticed that !!
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