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Postby lockedin » 21 Mar 2007 17:33

About how much are they?
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Postby zeke79 » 21 Mar 2007 19:08

unjust wrote:so if i understand the difference is a side by side meshing adjustable pin instead of an internal sleeved adjustable pin correct?


First, the Uchange does not incorporate any sidebar. The smartkey does. The permutations are much more limited on the Uchange than the smart key. The Uchange has 4 keypin lenths giving you a max differ of 1024 while the smart key is much higher. The reset functions operate completely different between the two locks. In reality, the only common functions these locks really share are A. instantly rekeyable and B. they both use a tool to achieve the rekeying. The rekey systems are totally different.

The cost of the locks is supposed to be a retail of around $45 for a deadbolt.
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Postby n2oah » 21 Mar 2007 19:11

Aye, any word on kwikset's new "high security" lock. My sledgehammer and I are waiting to test it out. :D
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Postby zeke79 » 21 Mar 2007 19:33

This is it afaik. Just rebranded to weiser.
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interchangeable

Postby raimundo » 22 Mar 2007 13:08

Are the keychange tools interchangeable, or is it like 81 and 82mm mortars, one will fire both ammunition, but ours only likes its own ammo.
the hole looks so similiar that I figure the tool for one of them would interchange at least in one direction, if not both.
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Postby zeke79 » 22 Mar 2007 13:21

The change tool for the weiser is a slim piece of metal with the working end only about 3/8" long and is only inserted less than 1/4". The uchange requires a long tool that will reach the back pin in the lock. I suppose you could use the end of the uchange tool to recombinate the weiser as I have used the end of a hook pick.
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Postby Squelchtone » 1 May 2007 21:20

zeke79 wrote:This is it afaik. Just rebranded to weiser.


glad I read this, and thank you for the nice pics, I think I saw them a while ago, but my brain is a vast black hole.

From looking at the picture... doesn't simply picking the lock to shearline automatically align the sidebar fingers to the correct position or do the serrations act like serrated pins giving you that many false gates to get stuck in?

thanks for explaining it some more,

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Postby Schuyler » 2 May 2007 9:10

Also, has anyone heard about a timeline on this lock?
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Postby Jaakko » 2 May 2007 10:11

squelchtone wrote:From looking at the picture... doesn't simply picking the lock to shearline automatically align the sidebar fingers to the correct position or do the serrations act like serrated pins giving you that many false gates to get stuck in?

I took a couple of minutes to stare those pictures zeke posted and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Using my imagination, you take a straightened paper clip or the official change tool and stick it in the hole. Then you just lift each pin in the lock in sequence starting from the first one and push the clip/tool in more and more.

Bump-proof, definately. Joke, most likely :)
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Postby zeke79 » 2 May 2007 10:17

jaako, you cannot do that as the shell is machined to prevent the reset feature from moving back in the locked position. You must turn the key 90 degrees clockwise to access the recess in the plug that allows the sidebar assembly to move back and reset.
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Postby Schuyler » 8 May 2007 19:19

Sorry to bump this, (no pun intended) but again, has anyone eeked out a timeline on this lock?
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Postby Schuyler » 8 May 2007 19:20

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Postby Schuyler » 8 May 2007 19:34

though I can't find anyone selling them yet :evil:
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Postby zeke79 » 8 May 2007 19:45

Not released in the US as of right now. :wink:
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Postby Schuyler » 8 May 2007 19:57

hehe, dayum. :) Any chance of them being released pre-defcon? I'm submitting a paper and had a small section on how locksport has influenced lock development. Smartkey seemed like an obvious reference.
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