Do not duplicate?

[Raccoon]

This is why locksmiths possess two pairs of plyers, or a random hard surface that offers destructive properties against zinc-nickle-brass alloys.

Besides, if you can't trust your locksmith not to break into your dwelling, then I'm afraid you have a lot more to worry about than duplicating a DND key.

[raimundo]

You really want that stamp, Coon? you can order custom made stamps from jewelers suppliers, such as Rio Grande albuequeque, right there in the land of brujeria.

[jimmysmith]

here in oregon... that thing about the "do not dub" on the key..... its not a law.... its not rules..in oregon its just good practice.. and good morals...
so...therefore if you go to the right place.at the right time..they will not care if its the key to heaven and god himself stamped the "do not Dub" they will copy it. .. i know it sounds bad... but the truth some times does..

as far as trying to get a "do not dub"stamp for stamping keys....
harbor fright tools carry a set of key stamps... all munbers and letter and a "do not dub" stamp.. not sure on price.. i just picked up the set with only munbers and it was $8.00 not to bad..

[Raccoon]

You are correct. I remember an earlier thread discussing laws of DND keys and there are no laws that protect a DND against being copied, as far as a locksmith is concerned.

There are laws that prohibit an individual from GETTING one copied, and that individual can be fined or spend time in jail for having the wrong DND key duplicated without permission, especially if it's a state or federal building key (such as a college university). But those laws should usually hold the locksmith harmless, unless there is obvious neglect.

The stamp I was refering to is one that says "COPIED" not "DO NOT DUPLICATE". Also, I'm curious why you keep saying "Do Not Dub"? Dub is not a word, it doesn't come close to DUPlicate. Makes me think of George Dubya, and that disturbs me.

[jimmysmith]

sorry man.. I am thinking music.. .. when you copy a track..its called dubing it..

[samfishers]

and for the abloy, you need to have a paper by the locksmith and (i think) the retailer

[Jaakko]

and for the abloy, you need to have a paper by the locksmith and (i think) the retailer

Unless it is a Classic key. With Classic you only need the keycode or the key to be copied or in some friendly cases I have had a drawing with me, as I don't have to cut-to-code table

You are right if the Abloy key mentioned is Profile, Exec or PROTEC. I don't recall if Abloy has more keytypes.

[Mutzy]

Alot of keys that have 'do not duplicate' on them are restricted keys, and the blanks are available to locksmiths only.

Even with tape over the head of the key, your local hardware / mr minit / pimply minimum-wage floor attendant usually won't have the key, anyway.

There is a distinct difference between a locksmith and the pimply minimum-wage floor attendant at your hardware store. Locksmiths are professionals and highly trained at removing tape.

I actually laughed at that.

[Raccoon]

Alot of keys that have 'do not duplicate' on them are restricted keys, and the blanks are available to locksmiths only.

Even with tape over the head of the key, your local hardware / mr minit / pimply minimum-wage floor attendant usually won't have the key, anyway.

Actually, in my experience, it's primarily the standard and easy to obtain keyways that will have DND stamped on them. You can buy KW1, SC1, etc with DND already stamped, but I generally can't find uncommon keys with DND and have to stamp them myself.

With exception to BEST keys that come with it already, unless a locksmith hand-stamps DND on the key, your commercial-uncommon and restricted keyways are usually free of markings or only state the brand name. This is probably because they can't be easily duplicated in the first place, or there just isn't enough of a market to produce them.

[Mutzy]

Here in Australia, the locksmith associations / guilds manufacture their own profiles that are released only to the locksmiths in said organisations. These profiles have barrels that are interchangeable with roughly 90% of the domestic & commercial locks on the market. The keys that are released are coined on the manufacturing end with the registered design # and the 'do not duplicate' tags on them. As well as the Locksmith name and contact ph.

Goes to show how different things are done on the other side of the world, huh?

[raimundo]

lately they are making the large square bow keys in the common keyways with the DND thing on them and no other marking, this makes landlords happy in spite of the futility and the locksmiths also get to charge a dollar or two extra for the blank.

[lunchb0x]

Here in Australia, the locksmith associations / guilds manufacture their own profiles that are released only to the locksmiths in said organisations. These profiles have barrels that are interchangeable with roughly 90% of the domestic & commercial locks on the market. The keys that are released are coined on the manufacturing end with the registered design # and the 'do not duplicate' tags on them. As well as the Locksmith name and contact ph.

Goes to show how different things are done on the other side of the world, huh?

MLA which have thes profiles, JA JB and JM also have a security selutions key blank which it a LW4 blank but with an extra grove, but to use it properly you have to changge the plug in the lock other wise these keys can be cut on to a normal LW4.

but I think the patant runs out on the J series keys in around 5 years so they wont be restricted anymore

[Mutzy]

I thought some of the J series profiles already were out of restriction. Maybe that's just the JC profile. Locksmith's Guild of Australia also has their own restricted profiles, too. In over 2 years of working, i think i've only seen one security solutions barrel. Alot of customers who don't want to pay the money for a full restricted system opt for the sec/sol ones. Same deal, just not a restricted profile. The sec/sol key's grove also has fooled a few mr minits around here...

[lunchb0x]

we still use JA and JB, the JC ones might not be restricted anymore but we dont use JC, I thought the security solutions where MLA aswell, we use them a fair bit at work because alot of places as you said, dont want to pay the money for a proper system