Master 140 Pin Order

[psychoz1111]

Hey, so i've been trying at my master 140 for a week or so. Ive only been able to open it a few times. My 1st and 3rd pins are spools, but the first pin requires the most tension to keep it down. Letting loose enough to set the 3rd pin (spool) will cause the 1st pin to pop back up. It is very hard trying to pick the lock with the first pin blocking view.

Is this pin setting a high-low setting? (I've seen it on the forums before a few times and don't know what it is)

Also, do you guys have any advice on how to pick it with this type of pin order? Is this type of pin order harder than usual pin orders?

[UWSDWF]

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Is this pin setting a high-low setting? (I've seen it on the forums before a few times and don't know what it is)

Also, do you guys have any advice on how to pick it with this type of pin order? Is this type of pin order harder than usual pin orders?

Yes that is High-Low keying

Use a hook pick with a long reach (think falle)

Yes it is

[psychoz1111]

Also, when I set a pin or two, the plug turns a little more than it does usually with unset pins, is this normal? Or is the plug supposed to turn only when all the pins are set?
Or is it possible that I am oversetting? When I set the first spool, I don't see it in the barrel at all anymore. Is this correct? When I dont see it in the barrel anymore is when it turns a little more than usual.

[Tygart]

The Plug should turn just a little as you set the pins.

[Deathadder]

you'll know you overset something when the plug turns the opposite direction and stays there, you usually know you set a security pin, though, when it turns the opposite direction, then turns even more forwards. Also, when you overset a pin, usually none or few others bind, and all the others just have spring force pushing them down

[nice7175]

i have a master 140 that i can pick in about 5 seconds, i'm assuming it has no security pins, is this normal? also i haven't been able to pick my master no3, could it have security pins? the cylinder on the no3 is very loose, it rattles around inside the lock body, is this normal?

Thanks

[jimmysmith]

I dont think your master lock # 3 has any type of security pins. as far as the cylinder being sloppy... I have about 10 master #3's and a couple of them are a little sloppy but they still pick open.
Unless your tension wrench is jamming up becuase of it.. you should be fine.. if you do find it messing with your tension... put your wrench at the top of the keyway.

[nice7175]

okay. thanks for the advice

[BobbO45]

I have two locks that I think might be Master #140's but I am not sure. They are solid brass with a plastic cover that can be removed.

I was also wondering, do all of the #140's (if thats what this is) have security pins?

These two locks feel like they do. When I go to set the second pin, the plug rotates back the other way as I push up the pin, but then when the pin is set, the plug rotates back the right way even farther. Spool pins? Mushroom Pins?

[mercurial]

I have two locks that I think might be Master #140's but I am not sure. They are solid brass with a plastic cover that can be removed.

I was also wondering, do all of the #140's (if thats what this is) have security pins?

These two locks feel like they do. When I go to set the second pin, the plug rotates back the other way as I push up the pin, but then when the pin is set, the plug rotates back the right way even farther. Spool pins? Mushroom Pins?

It is very hard to identify what lock you have by such a vague description. Are you able to post a picture of the lock in question?

Otherwise, you should be able to identify it at http://www.masterlock.com.

The feedback you describe when picking the lock "When I go to set the second pin, the plug rotates back the other way as I push up the pin, but then when the pin is set, the plug rotates back the right way even farther." means the lock does contain security pins.

As the lock in question is made by Master, I would say they are spools, rather than mushrooms.

...Mark

[nice7175]

i am able to pick my 140 in such little time that i think it doesnt have any security pins, could i be right?

[BobbO45]

It could be that it has no security pins, or maybe you are used to them and have learned to pick them well.

See following thread about spools making it easier to pick a lock

viewtopic.php?t=17993&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=spool+pins+easier&start=0

[nice7175]

it definitely isn't that i'm used to them because as soon as i picked it up i opened it in under ten seconds multiple times, on the other hand i can open an abus buffalo relatively quickly for my skill level so maybe i'm just good with my tension or something. thanks for the link.

[samfishers]

so if i am not able to pick i am still a newbee(i dont think i am not but...)

how do you deal whit the securitys in it?

[BobbO45]

There are several methods to pick security pins.

First of all, you must identify which pins are security pins.

One method of picking includes over setting the spools, and then releasing the tension just a bit after all the other pins have been set to allow the spools to drop back to the shear line.