spacers

[Schuyler]

yeah, they can be frustrating as hell to repin. Do you have the correct keys for each shearline?

[samfishers]

i have one key, but still i am having quite som diffycultys!

[Raccoon]

Sure hope this lock doesn't belong on your apartment door, or some other lock in use. I remember a certain member who joined us last year and thought it a "Good Idea" to mess with his apt door lock. *laugh*

[Eyes_Only]

Not trying to hijack the thread but I wondering, when pinning a lock for masterkeying would you load the master pins into the lock housing after you put in the top drivers or load them by putting them into the plug instead? When I was taking the Foley-Belsaw course and I was on the masterkeying lesson the instructions said to pin the lock by putting the master pins into plug.

[UWSDWF]

i've always found it alot easier to load them in the plug rather then the housing

[Raccoon]

Eyes: This is up to you. You can do it one of 3 ways in fact.

- Load the master pins into the plug on top of the bottom key-pins
- Load the master pins into the shell beneath the top driver-pins (can be difficult)
- Load the entire lock with the spring-cap off; key pins, master pins, drivers, springs, then cap it.

The first method is, of course, the easiest and quite fine. Just make sure that before loading a plug with master pins, that you've removed any old master pins (and incorrect driver sizes) from the shell. It doesn't matter if you used the change key or the master key to remove the plug; odds are there are old master pins in the shell chambers. Loading new pinning, especially with master pins, could cause very-tall stacks that over compress the spring or prohibit the key from inserting. If it's a mortise lock (no spring cap) you will have to pick the lock open and start over.

There are also some tools to make loading springs and top pins easier, such as plug followers with chambers for inserting and lifting springs and pins. I know Sargent includes one with their pinning kit, but I haven't seen these for sale anywhere else.

http://www.sargentlock.com/file_broker. ... nt_id=2018

from http://www.sargentlock.com/documents/?cat_id=74 (A7079)

[DaveAG]

Sure hope this lock doesn't belong on your apartment door, or some other lock in use. I remember a certain member who joined us last year and thought it a "Good Idea" to mess with his apt door lock. *laugh*

I would have thought it quite easy to get hold of a mastered cylinder for practice purposes, as entire systems can be junked on the change of a tenant or owner of a commercial building.

As for messing with apt door locks, doh!

The only time I would recommend messing with an apt door lock (and others may flame me for this) is if what happened to a friend of mine happens to you.

In England and Wales, the landlord may not enter without notice unless it is an emergency. Some landlords "forget" this piece of law (which cannot be trumped by anything you sign, just like you can't consent to have your legs broken in return for writing off a debt)

If a landlord ignores this and disturbs their tenant I would argue that breaching the tenancy agreement and replacing the lock and witholding the key is justified (so long as the lock is restored to the original state when you leave) If the landlord complains and tries to terminate the lease (or claim damages) their criminal activity will be evidence as to why it was necessary to change the lock, so they won't do it, and even if they did, the judge at the eviction hearing would 99.9% of the time refuse eviction (after all even if you simply changed the lock on a whim, the judge would probably do no more than order you to put it back)

The only risks you take by doing this is that if there ever is an emergency, the landlord (or their agent) will have to use boots and crowbars to gain entry, and they *may* be able to get the cost of a new door from you.

[Schuyler]

Sure hope this lock doesn't belong on your apartment door, or some other lock in use. I remember a certain member who joined us last year and thought it a "Good Idea" to mess with his apt door lock. *laugh*

I imagine when we're all old men, maybe, maybe that story will fade. haha

[cjames73]

:P I imagine when we're all old men, maybe, maybe that story will fade. haha

not if this site is still going

[Eyes_Only]

Eyes: This is up to you. You can do it one of 3 ways in fact.

- Load the master pins into the plug on top of the bottom key-pins
- Load the master pins into the shell beneath the top driver-pins (can be difficult)
- Load the entire lock with the spring-cap off; key pins, master pins, drivers, springs, then cap it.

The first method is, of course, the easiest and quite fine. Just make sure that before loading a plug with master pins, that you've removed any old master pins (and incorrect driver sizes) from the shell. It doesn't matter if you used the change key or the master key to remove the plug; odds are there are old master pins in the shell chambers. Loading new pinning, especially with master pins, could cause very-tall stacks that over compress the spring or prohibit the key from inserting. If it's a mortise lock (no spring cap) you will have to pick the lock open and start over.

There are also some tools to make loading springs and top pins easier, such as plug followers with chambers for inserting and lifting springs and pins. I know Sargent includes one with their pinning kit, but I haven't seen these for sale anywhere else.

http://www.sargentlock.com/file_broker. ... nt_id=2018

from http://www.sargentlock.com/documents/?cat_id=74 (A7079)

Thats exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks.